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So, I'm gonna try and ask the questions.\n\u003e\u003e Please.\n\u003e\u003e All right and you took it from me to run this.\n\u003e\u003e Sure.\n\u003e\u003e Thanks, I'm gonna put it over here just in case the voice drops a little bit. I know the Sino-Soviet border crisis was 30 years ago.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=37.0,61.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut it was such a seminal event for the administration, for the-\n\u003e\u003e Yes and no.\n\u003e\u003e No?\n\u003e\u003e I mean, we were heading for improving relations with China anyway.\n\u003e\u003e Do you think though, that had it not been for Prague and those border clashes. That Mao would have and Joe would have also headed in the same direction?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=61.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Without Prague, I'm not sure.\n\u003e\u003e In your mind that was the biggest determinant.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah when the Chinese said. But I think given the relationship between China and the Soviet Union throughout the 60s, they probably would have headed in that direction. But that truly accelerated it.\n\u003e\u003e Was there a conflict?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=86.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI'm very anxious to get right the context of how the problem developed. And what you recall of the information screen that came to you? The intelligence community, from what I've reconstructed so far, seem to be fairly divided on what was happening.\n\u003e\u003e Intelligence community is often divided. When you are in the security advisers position or the president for certain, now you have to make a choice.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=114.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd secondly, you have to operate on the word contingency. So, if somebody said that something is not gonna happen and somebody else says it may happen. You have to plan for the fact that it might happen.\n\u003e\u003e Does that mean that you, do you have a memory as others do that Tom Graham was leaning the hardest into the interpretation that they were gonna come across the border.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=147.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yes, but I did not deal with the analyst directly. Because they were accusing I never dealt with at all. Because the CIA was extremely nervous about any attempt I made when I made it to take to the analysts. They had to present it. [INAUDIBLE].\nAnd he thought there was a good possibility that there might be a conflict that summer, or a possibility of [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=174.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e And the CIA less so? More sanguine?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah but that was the normal CIA position on almost everything.\n\u003e\u003e Now, Laird told me that he has a memory of this NSC meeting in San Clemente with Helms at the end of the table. Arguing that the Soviets won't attack, that there's just too much at risk for them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=210.0,235.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut Graham's-\n\u003e\u003e Graham wouldn't have been at the meeting.\n\u003e\u003e No, but maybe Laird was representing the view and his view was how would his view get assimilated it for an NSC?\n\u003e\u003e Through Laird. Or the Hampford probably playing here arrived to make it super analogous. But, The CIA generally had the dark view in Mozambique today.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=235.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e The view of the Soviet caution and military caution.\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK] The Soviet caution, the Vietnamese caution, anybody's caution. But it was not a matter of, it was not one of those huge conflicts.\n\u003e\u003e But it was a shocker, was it not just as an extension of the test frame sign of Soviet dispute for them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=270.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTo all of a sudden be drawing each others' blood. It must have been somewhat shocking. You wrote about it.\n\u003e\u003e I can only tell you more or less what I wrote. I heard, We both, Nixon and I separately, because we didn't know each other. People had come to the conclusion that the United States, for the sake of its diplomatic flexibility, should improve the relation to China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=293.0,321.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI had written something for which was published on that subject. And Nixon had published an article, so that was a fixed position. But we had no precise notion of how to do this. We sort of talked to various ambassadors or government we knew were there. There was one Dutchman, Dutch ambassador, who came to Washington that we talked to.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=321.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Soviets in the spring of 69 started briefing me on the matter. That was so uncharacteristic for the Soviets.\n\u003e\u003e You say to bring in, at one point, gory details, but did he describe it-\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] Describe the battle, none of this was of any clear normal interest to me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=347.0,369.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean normally, they would've downplayed, they would've tried to keep us out of these things. So I thought that maybe they were trying to establish the premise and try to hear from us. That we didn't care what they did on the border. And that's when I started paying more attention to getting intelligence reports.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=369.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I was terribly struck as you recall about this notion of you looking for the railheads. To make a determination of who attacked, who was the aggressor. I assumed that was because you were not satisfied with\n\u003e\u003e Well, if the Soviets had, if the hadn't briefed us, I probably would have had the view of everybody that the Chinese were a bunch of mad men under Mao.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=392.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that they probably did it. But it was so uncharacteristic for the Soviets to brief us that I began to be dubious. And then I wondered, where the hell is it taking place? And then out of his groove.\n\u003e\u003e Interesting looking at it.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but it,\n\u003e\u003e I'm terribly interested also in this NSC meeting in August of 69, to the extent you can help with any other insights.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=416.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe revolutionary thesis that the President propounded that the United States could not afford its own interest to have China smashed. It seems out of proportion to any consequences that were described. In terms of follow on and the dimension that there were contingency studies. And you kind of give the back of your hand a little bit to Roger Morris maybe justifiably so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=448.0,473.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I never quite understood.\n\u003e\u003e I forgot everything what did I say.\n\u003e\u003e It's a foot note basically that you said the guy who was assigned to develop the contingencies later wrote a book attacking Were developing contingencies in secret. It's in the footnotes.\n\u003e\u003e Sounds right.\n\u003e\u003e I'll stick with that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=473.0,488.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e In any case, just because it foreshadows this question about NSM 169 and a memo I wanted to show you that I just recently came across in these declassified records I've been trying to madly read and reconstruct. Is the what, well, there weren't very good options for the United States, what was the option?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=488.0,511.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Look, the problem with this, Nixon and I knew what we wanted to do strategically.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e But by that time we had about seven months of experience with the bureaucracy. If we asked them to do something they didn't want to do which the response was leaking.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=511.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow we were not eager to get a big public debate started about military assistance to China with which we had no contact whatsoever. In case of a Soviet attack for which the public also wasn't greatly prepared, and so we did the best we could. I'd sent assistants over to the Pentagon to see what they thought and we had various contingency plans undertaking.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=532.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut there was nothing really we could do practically that would achieve anything other than a horrendous debate. I personally was convinced that if the Soviets attacked, it would not be with massive armies into China. My view was, and I seem to remember this was Graham's view, too, that it would probably be a nuclear attack.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=559.0,584.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOr not a nuclear, an attack on Chinese nuclear installations. And then, daring the Chinese to repose. And therefore I thought it would be a long, slowly evolving crisis, not a massive attack. And it was in the course of that, we would have had to take many diplomatic moves before we could even think of military move.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=584.0,610.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right, but I sense from reading now what I have read which isn't, not totally complete. It's a set of the Memcons mostly complete from 73 on, but not the critical or important February 73 conversation with Joanne Ryan, the liason officer. That there was a certain amount of effort by President Nixon and yourself to convey to the Chinese that the United States was willing to take a strategic, and declare a strategic interest in their security.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=610.0,643.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, we, we-\n\u003e\u003e Without reciprocity.\n\u003e\u003e You're asking about 69, by 73 we had been in China.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, yeah.\n\u003e\u003e And we had had many exchanges.\n\u003e\u003e I'm looking for the linear connection between the propositions stated in that August meeting and the\n\u003e\u003e No, a country can be of vital importance to the United States without reciprocity.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=643.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf it's of vital importance to the United States. If our assumption is that the collapse of China or the strategic domination of China by the Soviet Union changes the situation fundamentally then it doesn't make any, then its existence is the reciprocity. Not that we do anything in addition to that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=669.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBy 73 the reciprocity was that they gave the Soviets plenty to think about.\n\u003e\u003e Right, but you convinced the Chinese of our, of US reliability as counter weapon.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I don't have to document, I don't believe we ever gave the Chinese a legal assurance. I think we told the Chinese that we considered a threat to them a matter that would affect the overall strategic balance.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=691.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we gave it purely in philosophical terms. But we would have taken it very seriously, we would not have let them go under.\n\u003e\u003e In April of 1973 if this refreshes you at all, in a conversation with Huang Hua, he refers to a letter that President Nixon sent to Mao in April of 73.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=720.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, you mentioned that.\n\u003e\u003e Doesn't ring?\n\u003e\u003e Here [INAUDIBLE] letter, I was much more [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e And I frankly-\n\u003e\u003e I doesn't mean it doesn't exist.\n\u003e\u003e I can't remember that letter and I've just written the third volume of my memoirs. Well, no, that was not that sort of support they.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=744.0,764.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI have no such recollection.\n\u003e\u003e I'll send you the Huang Hua. Huang Hua asks about this letter and he says, what is the meaning of the statement in the letter? And you were stating that in the conversation.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I can't speculate. I think it is perfectly possible that Nixon said.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=764.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I'll settle you was that China was an element in the geopolitical equation that we did not want to see destroyed. It was not a question of a legal commitment, I don't remember that letter and you don't remember that letter.\n\u003e\u003e No.\n\u003e\u003e But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=780.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It struck me that one possible explanation was that if that was headed into the Brezhnev talks in June of 73.\n\u003e\u003e No, never-\n\u003e\u003e That one of the problems was this agreement on the prevention of nuclear war and what you were looking to perhaps balance.\n\u003e\u003e Well, that's not a bad reasoning, but we usually didn't play the game quite that way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=801.0,825.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe didn't try to calibrate it meeting by meeting.\n\u003e\u003e Let me send you this and I won't press on it.\n\u003e\u003e It is certainly no doubt that we tried to convey to the Chinese. And they kept saying you're pushing the EU, trying to push the new orders east.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=825.0,847.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we kept saying, to us it's not strategic difference between a Soviet victory in Asia or the Soviet victory in Europe. That was our strategic [INAUDIBLE]. A formal assurance, that doesn't matter with Nixon. We would have done something, believe me.\n\u003e\u003e But considering their reaction to the Brezhnev meeting which was negative by their tone.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=847.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that even though your strongest assurances that you turned that agreement into mush from a strategic standpoint, in terms of the threat to them, that they didn't fully accept that. And I thought-\n\u003e\u003e No, no, you have to separate two things. It was in the Chinese interests to nail us as firmly as possible to their position.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=878.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt was in the Soviet interests to nail us as firmly If possible to their position. It was in our interests to stay somewhere between the two. Meaning somewhat towards the Chinese side, because they were the weaker and I thank you. And therefore, any move we made with the Soviet Union that gave us maneuvering room, the Chinese objected to it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=900.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e But we were big boys, we understood this.\n\u003e\u003e Did the United States put any military Forces on alert during the-\n\u003e\u003e No.\n\u003e\u003e Crisis of '69.\n\u003e\u003e No.\n\u003e\u003e There's a fellow out at my center at Stanford, Scott Sabin, who was convinced that that happened so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=925.0,956.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou make a number of references in your mem coms to the history of actions you have taken, as a way to demonstrate the man on the hill, you never refer to anything in 1969.\n\u003e\u003e No, no, we did a lot of minor things like permitting the purchase of, there was a whole catalogue of things which we did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=956.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Trade, yeah.\n\u003e\u003e All trivia, but you have to remember, we not only had no contact whatever with the Chinese. We didn't even know on what door to knock to get our face slapped. We even didn't know how to take the first step and every step we took turned out to be wrong.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=977.0,995.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e First step was really the endopath attempt at coordination.\n\u003e\u003e No, no. You mean during the crisis of 71?\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e No, no, no, no.\n\u003e\u003e From a strategic stand?\n\u003e\u003e The first attempt was 69, when Elliot Richardson put out a series. Elliot Richardson, when he was Deputy Secretary and I worked very closely together.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=995.0,1017.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd there were a whole series of regulations at the State Department came up with, that themselves didn't mean anything. I think there was a prohibition about buying any Chinese goods, and I think we permitted either $50 or $100 worth of purchases. And there was a whole series of admittedly minor league things and on the 69.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1017.0,1044.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, and they were basically just signals. [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e The were intended as signals. On the other hand, there was some sailor that had wandered into Chinese waters, and they released him. So this is the dance that was going on. And then in early 1970, we sent out ambassadors, I mean, that's all in my memoirs.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1044.0,1066.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right. What I was referring to was the first attempt to coordinate strategy.\n\u003e\u003e Strategy.\n\u003e\u003e Was that not when you said that Huang Hua at the townhouse here in town, if you you were on the way to the Azores?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e Was that the right instance?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1066.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut anyway,\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e If you decide for your own security to do something, will you basically look after your rear flag.\n\u003e\u003e No, we didn't.\n\u003e\u003e Or we'll oppose any attack, we'll oppose any, it was vague.\n\u003e\u003e No, that isn't what happened, not exactly that. We had a meeting In which they gave us a, Great speech about how we were letting down Pakistan and at the end of it, I said we need to move an aircraft carrier into the Bay of Bengal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1083.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt would be interesting to hear what you are going to do. And it was a Friday night. On a Sunday morning, we got a message that they wanted to see us. We thought they were going to, and on that occasion I think we can aid to see them, and he was instructed to tell them if they had moved we would act.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1121.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e But we had not, I don't believe, told them ahead of time.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e I told them that I've got that man down. And they didn't act when-\n\u003e\u003e They first told us they wouldn't interact.\n\u003e\u003e Why? You believe that's because the Brezhnev policy of deploying along the northern Altamira of Spain off, it was constrained, in some ways it was an absence of success.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1146.0,1171.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It was also very, it was a successful that, it was also hard for him to act, because Mrs Ghandi had chosen to find for attack with this now [INAUDIBLE]. So, it would've been a symbolic gesture, but it may have well been that the deployment of some 42 divisions in the north [INAUDIBLE] And remember we hadn't been in China yet at that point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1171.0,1207.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right. [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e It was in the interval between my first two visits to China and the president's trip to China. And we did not want Pakistan humiliated as a result of an Indian Soviet alliance. And the issue on which this was revolved was our conviction that the Indians were about to attack West Pakistan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1207.0,1235.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right, and Mrs Ghandi she assured whom, us? She assured somebody-\n\u003e\u003e No she refused to assure at the outset, it was futile. And we had, as I wrote in my memoir, an intelligence report from what we had lead me to believe was a reliable source. I did not know what the source was, but the arrangement with the CIA was, if it was somebody of high potential they had to tell it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1235.0,1266.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I trust him, he would have done that. We thought it was somebody in the Capital's office, that the next move of the Indians attack. But we didn't, we considered the Pakistan thing over and we had in any way moved to get into Pakistan made independent. The dispute between us and India was not that it should be independent.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1266.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut under Egypt, the Indians wanted to be the ones that dominated that situation. Anyway, that was the issue, and then Mrs Ghandi informed us that she would not attend [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e But it was an interesting moment, in that it was first time you were able to explore the potentiality of the China relationship in that regard, and you remember your reaction when they seemed to pull up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1290.0,1324.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt seemed that you had believed they might make a move, they might move first.\n\u003e\u003e We weren't eager for them to make a move, we were, above all, eager to demonstrate that it was not we who welshed, and that we had not been driven off.\n\u003e\u003e The more reliable partner.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1324.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e That was our strategy, the last thing we needed in the winter of 71 was a sign of Indian war before the United States had even a hint. But it was important that Pakistan having arranged a visit to China should not be totally destroyed as a result of a Soviet Indian alliance, which I think in July [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1343.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTherefore, we wanted to demonstrate to the Chinese that if anyone rushed, it wasn't us.\n\u003e\u003e Can I just let you look at for one second, this-\n\u003e\u003e You probably have better eyes than I do.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH] No, I've just tried to sit down and read in one sitting all of this, and I don't know if this will jog a memory, but this refers to the study of the targeting, and this has been legally declassified, there's no leak here.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1368.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn the last page there's a reference to the contingency that was-\n\u003e\u003e This note on top is mine.\n\u003e\u003e Is that yours?\n\u003e\u003e So you wanted a briefing on it.\n\u003e\u003e Wanted a briefing on this.\n\u003e\u003e What's the question?\n\u003e\u003e The question refers to the last page there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1416.0,1434.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt seems that at your Admonition, the foster group looked at contingencies for Soviet attack on China, where Chinese forces basically exhaust themselves and asked for-\n\u003e\u003e Well, you picked it [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm.\n\u003e\u003e I wish to see [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e What is that word? I didn't understand that word.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1434.0,1459.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Wish to see.\n\u003e\u003e Wish to see. And they did it.\n\u003e\u003e They did what?\n\u003e\u003e They worked through-\n\u003e\u003e They make the\n\u003e\u003e They worked through some options and-\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but what's the question?\n\u003e\u003e The question is, in trying to sort out, is this in a linear way connected with the search for options that began in 1969, when the notion of the Soviet attack on China was postulated?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1459.0,1491.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well, it tied to several things. From my first day, I wanted to get more nuclear action in this pragmatic nuclear war that we found. But obviously, I tried to build into that an analysis of options in case of a Soviet, Chinese war.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e It's just the only thing I've seen that referred, aside from John Hovertz going over the tank and having a few meetings-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1491.0,1535.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but you do have to remember that between Phil Odeen and the President, there are lots of steps.\n\u003e\u003e Right, sure, sure. But this process, the reason I'm interested in this, because you were interested in this at this time, this is right at the time of this letter I mention from the President til now, basically, making what sounds like a pretty firm commitment that it would be a fundamental tenet of American foreign policy to assure the territorial integrity of the DMZ.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1535.0,1567.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah well, that could well have been said. It certainly was our view.\n\u003e\u003e But you think it's also possible, and I'm just pushing around here, because I'm not sure if you remember the context, and I may have to come back with the specifics of the question, this is June of 73, of whether an advance of the Brezhnev summit, we're looking for symmetry between the two.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1567.0,1592.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e We didn't play the game that way. I mean, by June 73 that nuclear agreement was long gone, there was long since agree. There were no discussions about the nuclear agreement at the summit.\n\u003e\u003e It was tabled in May of 72, the Brezhnev.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e And it wasn't though discussed, until your trips later, in subsequent trips and I thought was it not signed in-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1592.0,1618.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e In 72 and 73. But it was basically done in May 73 when I was in Zavidovo.\n\u003e\u003e And of course, that's when Brezhnev was really pushing on the anti-China notion, the anti-China whatever.\n\u003e\u003e No, I mean in Zavidovo he didn't push on the anti-Chinese. In Zavidovo he pushed on the agreement, on the prevention of nuclear war.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1618.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Did he verbally attack the Chinese?\n\u003e\u003e He overly verbally attacked the Chinese, but then in June 73 when Nixon came there, he made that formal proposal of some kind of alliance against the Chinese.\n\u003e\u003e That was what's happening.\n\u003e\u003e No, we're talking about 2 in 73.\n\u003e\u003e 1974.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1647.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, 2 in 74, you're right.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] Grotto.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, that's when he made the call to war. No, he didn't make a formal proposal in June 73, that he did in 74.\n\u003e\u003e I see. It was never really concrete terms until-\n\u003e\u003e Well, he was great against the Chinese.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1674.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e My view on this specific bureaucrat is you're reading much too much into the Chinese Sino Russian part. I mean that's a study that's been underway for months and months, and it's looking at a whole range of basic-\n\u003e\u003e No it's a very broad, I agree.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1692.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n[CROSSTALK] But it's the only thing I've seen that referred to something that, you could say, was someone studied options for what would occur if there were a sign of Soviet major conflict.\n\u003e\u003e No, no, and that's true. But that doesn't mean we intended to do it right away.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1711.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e You wouldn't over read it. And if someone told me that there was such a difficulty dealing with this question, that there was some jokes between Morris and somebody that we ought to fool the French and the launching and-\n\u003e\u003e No, but you have to remember Morris was there for six months.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1726.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e In 69.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e And he made it to the plane so early, that he was not involved anything serious after January 1970.\n\u003e\u003e But in only 69, after that NSC meeting and after that summer process, did you not ask Lake and Morris to look at options.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1743.0,1761.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Because Lake and Morris, because I thought those two were too private people I had.\n\u003e\u003e But I gather they didn't, whatever they came to was either not complete, neither of them really remembers what they came up with. Holdridge it's the only person. [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e He doesn't have the heart in it anyway, they wanted to get out conflict.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1761.0,1781.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nWhen Mao began to articulate the PRC in terms for normalization-\n\u003e\u003e You know, I don't have such a clear recollection that Mao was the driving force, most of those discussions were with Joe.\n\u003e\u003e But Mao gave you a lot of, well Joe, this is still a mystery I'm trying to solve.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1781.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou've always said that you began to sense that Joe was getting in trouble with Mao in late 73. You know John Hentsher, wife, she has told me that she has some feelings that it began after the February 73 trip when Joe talked to you about, and it's in **** Solomon's chronology, the part that's been declassified, there's a line in there, and I don't have that link underlined in there, that says, Joe said United States must take the lead in any anti-Soviet alliance.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1811.0,1845.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd to use that concrete phraseology, she has a memory that he got pulled into Moas court and there were incriminations over it.\n\u003e\u003e I wouldn't doubt that.\n\u003e\u003e And you know, Deng Xiaoping came back a month later. A month later in April 73 is when he reappeared in Beijing not in [CROSSTALK].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1845.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I think the decline of Started, in my mind, with the failure of the Cambodian initiative. June 73, which in New York Times and every leading newspaper had absolutely refused to cover. Cuz it was so contrary to so many fixed opinions. That's when the Chinese offered a complete deal, checked it with us, waited only for to come back.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1866.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we then knocked the crops out from under it, with the bombing ban, it was our contribution, and then I could see where Mao said the horses **** was more elegant, he gave it away. Then we could have had it for nothing. Discipline, I believe, the design [INAUDIBLE] and canceled my reserve and scheduled it for precisely the day after the bombing, all went into effect, which was a terrific needle that I didn't go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1901.0,1937.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat one, in my view, is a decline [INAUDIBLE] felt better.\n\u003e\u003e She says there was a politburo meeting in which Joe was struggling a little bit by. Because he came out of that meeting with you, and Winston, and Nancy Tung, and didn't go straight to his story was he went straight to see Mao, and that the liaison women that protected Mao wouldn't let him in.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1937.0,1962.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd when he was called before Mao later to account for his, this conversation about anti-Soviet. He said he had tried to come down this began a suspicion.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] it was certainly but then if that's true, it was just over the edge by making this deal\n\u003e\u003e And it was in 1973 the first time Joe recollecting probably what Mao was saying, was saying for the first time was trying to get to Soviets by standing on our shoulders.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1962.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah but that what the Chinese wanted from us, I mean Mao was, a professional in this sort of game. And it burned him up, we had them off like civil procession.\n\u003e\u003e Well, in any event-\n\u003e\u003e Sure, he said this, I thought it was a success for us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=1996.0,2029.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of trying to understand them and I'm not going to be able to get all the answers for this book by any means.\n\u003e\u003e If you don't get it from the point of view that we got them so. That we had a political relationship and by us that's a naive view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2029.0,2046.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No it's not my view, to the extent I have one it's basically that certainly everyone was playing lawyer to their own interests.\n\u003e\u003e I'm not saying we calibrated everything correctly. Right. But within the Chinese side, there was the additional dynamic of Mao turning, we know that he turned against us, Joe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2046.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd according to the doctor's book, his personal physician's book, he denied Joe medical treatment for his cancer.\n\u003e\u003e I don't believe everything that doctor says, but when the doctor says, I brought medical equipment, that isn't true. Doctor says, Mao said something here, okay.\n\u003e\u003e What I was trying to determine is Is where in your mind, because 73 and 74 were such hellish domestic political years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2066.0,2107.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn what I've read, I don't find any Nixon interventions on China, or no reflection of the people. When **** Solomon is writing memos, you don't hear any references or asides to what presidential directives is floating over this process. Whereas you obviously you went out to separation up in July right up to the end of this point, talking about Saul.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2107.0,2134.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I don't have any sense of where the president was on dealing, talking about normalization terms. It was a much more difficult problem in the Senate at that point even though Jackson had\n\u003e\u003e You can assume that I never went on a trip without having given Nixon a detailed memo ahead of time what I was gonna say and had it approved.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2134.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I never came back from a trip without a detailed memo to Nixon, and getting it approved.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e And plus daily reports from the trip.\n\u003e\u003e I have some that looks like a little circle thing.\n\u003e\u003e It was a little harder in China because we didn't have a.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2157.0,2171.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut once they said there were daily reports. So you can assume that we work together. Could we have originally hoped to settle the Taiwan thing by '76. But we were hoping to do, switching [INAUDIBLE] embassy, and we were feeling our way. But within China there were fictive feuds between **** Chou Peng [INAUDIBLE] and Mao's wife.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2171.0,2213.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd Mao was going back and forth between reform and the hardline.\n\u003e\u003e Right, what struck me in reading the record I've seen is the extent to which Mao decided for whatever reasons to saying we don't see this going peacefully.\n\u003e\u003e There are a bunch of counter-revolution.\n\u003e\u003e No that's absolutely wrong.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2213.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMy last conversation Mao said we can wait 100 years.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e They would never agree to saying that they will commit themselves to a peaceful revolution in principle.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e But they always what Mao were they were in no hurry.\n\u003e\u003e Either way, you can keep Twain if you need it, that sort of thing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2239.0,2263.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut he also, at one point he turned to and said, I don't think it's gonna be peaceful, do you? Yeah, but it depended when.\n\u003e\u003e The last of it was we don't want it, we're not ready. We can wait 100 years.\n\u003e\u003e But it seemed to me that the last several sessions were very frustrating.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2263.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd the child both kinda presented you with a very tough line and, kept coming back in clothing the German on this particular point.\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e Haven't got them in my mind, [INAUDIBLE] whatever the [INAUDIBLE] conciliatory and [INAUDIBLE] taking a hard line.\n\u003e\u003e Progressively or\n\u003e\u003e Starting in late 73 and the wife of was so dang, whatever he said.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2292.0,2338.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf you read all the conversations with board. There was one lower with and one with very nice to it. And I responded in the shadow of the the next day at and then took me to the fragrant hills or whatever they're called for a picnic. On the issue of Taiwan he was always hard line but you know our life wasn't.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2338.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n[INAUDIBLE] Unfulfilled it, we couldn't settle it.\n\u003e\u003e True.\n\u003e\u003e I mean we came up with various proposals and they turned them down.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e That wasn't the end of what we were concerned with.\n\u003e\u003e No, but I mean you seemed you want to keep it going by making always symbolic steps forward.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2372.0,2397.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, we wanted to show that we were not just marketing it.\n\u003e\u003e And that's when it seemed to me, I'm interested to hear you say, that Deng in other ways communicated a conciliatory tone because he is one who seemed every once in awhile just poked you in the ribs, the whole Schlesinger business.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2397.0,2414.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e You know what? The whole Schlesinger invitation business. Wasn't that just a bit of a poke in ribs?\n\u003e\u003e Well, which one do you mean?\n\u003e\u003e In the fall, when you were getting ready for President Ford's, was it November 74 trip or the October 75 that he was-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2414.0,2430.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, I think that came from Mao.\n\u003e\u003e And they began to\n\u003e\u003e To use this as a question forum to some extent?\n\u003e\u003e They kept saying they want him the soviet border.\n\u003e\u003e Right. This gets into this question that I really-\n\u003e\u003e But what's he was fired two weeks later.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2430.0,2454.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right, right. What is the correct context for this notion of this state of thinking how it evolved the notion of a military relationship with China. How one should pursue?\n\u003e\u003e First of all, I saw a problem with and all the people. I can not find, a single meeting in which the subject was ever discussed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2454.0,2486.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that was back before any paper that was ever came to me. Nor can a find a Meeting with the Chinese evidence. My personal view was that I would do the maximum to [INAUDIBLE]\nsecurity [INAUDIBLE].\nBut we also have the problem that [INAUDIBLE].\nThe Russian relationship was going to [INAUDIBLE] because.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2486.0,2515.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWas getting assignments would have been in Vladivostok. And when we came back, agreement to us. So-\n\u003e\u003e Angola.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, Angola. So we are not looking for additional confrontation to the Soviets. Angola's in a different category, but that's when they were challenging us. So, I do not remember that a single discussion took place.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2515.0,2552.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI tried to be helpful to them on these pro choice engines and I certainly was not undiscouraging to the British.\n\u003e\u003e How did that work?\n\u003e\u003e I just-\n\u003e\u003e How can the British, was there a letter to Edward Heath, somebody said to me that the President sent a letter to Edward Heath saying that Holcomb or our government,\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2552.0,2572.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Relation the co com is gonna be or inner agency recognition.\n\u003e\u003e I would be absolutely amazed if they had been\n\u003e\u003e Okay.\n\u003e\u003e But again I don't know, if you find a letter don't say I lied to you, it just wouldn't be. Is the sort of thing you write in a letter.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2572.0,2588.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e But we would have been tolerant about this. 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Thank you for the-\n\u003e\u003e Sure.\n\u003e\u003e You have a memory of this Pillsbury foreign policy\n\u003e\u003e Seek article that was pushing on this notion.\n\u003e\u003e No, I mean I know Robin says I blew my time with it quite likely.\n\u003e\u003e Do you have a memory of writing you a letter about\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2640.0,2660.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e 70's about helping the Chinese improve their warning time problems [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but was out of government. He could do anything. He could provide any letter. That doesn't make it a part of the governmental process\n\u003e\u003e No, no, no. 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So and when Schlesinger went on Face the Nation in the middle of the campaign in April of 76 and said we considered, when I was in government, we considered military relationship with China, there were State Department stories the next day backgrounded saying It's never formally addressed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2746.0,2774.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8561/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat was putting out a fire, right? That was-\n\u003e\u003e He was out of office, Reagan was running against Nixon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634#t=2774.0,2793.71753"}]},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8562","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["ms_1981_s07_b1011_0001_caption.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73634/transcript/8562/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[INAUDIBLE] You have to 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He said I was dealing with one set of problems. Henry was dealing with a completely different set of problems.\n\u003e\u003e We need to-\n\u003e\u003e We may have had a different view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=11.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but we would've come to it. If we had both stayed in office, we would have a high probability is that a Ford administration would've leaned forward more than a Carter administration [INAUDIBLE] mix of people.\n\u003e\u003e Do you remember the moment when President Ford decided that normalization was a bridge too far for him, wasn't it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=24.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I don't think there was ever any one moment, it just petered out. 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[LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e I was just curious about President Nixon's interventions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=161.0,181.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI'm trying to get John Taylor to get me, I'd like to read his reports n this-\n\u003e\u003e I don't have that thing and-\n\u003e\u003e Which thing?\n\u003e\u003e The report, whatever they put. I mean, I'm sure it exists. And I didn't know he was going until it was underway.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=181.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But President Ford told me it was you. Because Ford wanted to keep Nixon at arm's length, it was you that basically was the point of contact for Nixon. And I think I've seen you've talked to him every few weeks.\n\u003e\u003e That's correct.\n\u003e\u003e I'm just curious whether you could reflect for me his view in that period of time on this issue?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=204.0,225.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e On which issue?\n\u003e\u003e The issue of the pressure from the Chinese, the questioning of our reliability. It was a subject that was always also [CROSSTALK].\n\u003e\u003e Well, first of all, I haven't got the record. Before he went, He expressed no such view. After he came back, he told me some of the things they'd said which were lower key versions of what they'd already told me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=225.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut he didn't add any of his own clause to it. He was basically supportive of what I was doing.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I can imagine that he wouldn't be, since he was like-minded on the subject that what are our national interest and role was. And then how we ought to project that on the Chinese and how the Chinese ought to respond to it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=263.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI just thought that it seemed like a dark hour, and the fact that he went at that time, I thought maybe it was a mission to buck up the Chinese a little bit on the staying power. America may be down, but you ought to understand, the United States is going to bounce back.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=283.0,299.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I mean, I would judge that that's what he did. But again, you have to remember, you have to distinguish between what the Chinese say and what they really believe. Now in February 76 was a low point for us because Ford had talked to them about helping in Angola and they had.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=299.0,317.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey had done what we asked.\n\u003e\u003e And then we got to.\n\u003e\u003e And then we got the so we didn't look particularly good. But you have to remember it was in the Chinese interest to turn [INAUDIBLE] because [INAUDIBLE]. So nobody was ever perfectly happy.\n\u003e\u003e I guess, I was-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=317.0,343.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I mean, you were in several of these jobs.\n\u003e\u003e On this question of how the Carter administration finally made a deal on Taiwan. Have you ever heard the story of Vance coming into office and going on Meet the Press? And there were those questions in the air of had there been any secret deals in the Nixon administration with China?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=343.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHe was asked on one of those, someone asked him, have you found any secret deals? And he kind of got the doe in the headlights look. Because he didn't know. He hadn't read the record, what assurances had been given. So that's when he came back and had Oksenberg and-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=368.0,384.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I don't know whether that's true. I think the normal thing I would've done too when I came back, I would've said let's make absolutely sure that they're no secret agreements.\n\u003e\u003e Well, they read the record and they came across the five assurances. And they said those are assurances that we think we should make, too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=384.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut it went as a memo to Brzezinski to Carter and Carter signed off. Come on, let's make these assurances ourselves for the sake of continuity. And Vance apparently blew up and handed off the paperwork shredded because he didn't want have to say yeah, we found a secret agreement and we ratified it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=407.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHe wanted to just go his own path on normalization and in the context of that, reaffirm what assurances needed to be reaffirmed.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I don't know what you mean by secret, there are always diplomatic statements that are made, that doesn't make it a secret agreement.\n\u003e\u003e What I'm saying is he made a political choice in fact-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=426.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But you have to ask Brzezinski about that, I don't know. I had very close relations with Vance.\n\u003e\u003e The point of my question is not that there was a secret agreement. The impetus of the story is that Vance, I thought, was mature enough to not want to get it wrapped around the axle and let someone else call it a secret agreement.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=445.0,466.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I didn't mean, I mean, the Carter people, like new administrations, had a compulsive desire To prove that they were not doing what-\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK] they ran against you.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e They ran against you.\n\u003e\u003e Carter wanting to be sure they were doing something better, different. That always happens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=466.0,488.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, did you think their terms were good terms when they developed them?\n\u003e\u003e I had no problem with them. Someone had said to me that Brezensky thought that you were under my umbrella. The deal as they made it around town and that he'd called and you all came to [INAUDIBLE] moment, is it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=488.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well, if I was, you might be able to find some journalist to tell you I did.\n\u003e\u003e I was just asking you. I wanted to know if you were [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e No, I have no recollection of it. I don't know why I would have.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I mean, you have stood up for the relationship in several administrations, that I think the most important instance was in 1995.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=512.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I have no reason to undermine that particular agreement.\n\u003e\u003e They thought you were going around town basically saying that they should've gotten stronger language and a guarantee for a peaceful transition. That you had gotten a statement from the Chinese, which is something that you had set as a goal for yourself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=535.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e And they would've set it a goal for themselves. And it was certainly an appropriate goal. You didn't know me very well at the time when-\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK] [INAUDIBLE] I was in Normandy. I'd be astonished if they hadn't set that as a goal for themselves. Why wouldn't they have had that as well?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=556.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt was an obvious thing to ask, and if the Chinese say no, then what are you gonna do? Dung had just came back when they'd came into Office, so Dung was not fully in charge again. He was taking a pretty hard line and I think Alcock, being appalled, he was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=574.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn '78, '79, he was pretty much in charge. And certainly the Chinese think I've been supportive.\n\u003e\u003e The Chinese think you have been?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, of course.\n\u003e\u003e And I think of myself as having been supportive. That was not a big deal for me. Because I think whether the Chinese do not use force and that doesn't depend on something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=591.0,615.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI never believed that they would renounce Ford. I tried to get it but that's a question of principle with them. But I did want to convey to them I have no problem with what they did. At least certainly not in retrospect. I don't remember that I ever talked to anybody about it, or what I remember what I did in '79.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=615.0,643.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It's not big deal. I just wanna ask about [INAUDIBLE] and I agree, the record is very clear that you have the supported relationship. And that's one of the things I wanted to ask you quickly about. I don't know why we are on time, but I wanted to ask you about-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=643.0,658.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e 15 more minutes.\n\u003e\u003e The intervention in the Summer of 1995, the Visa decision in-\n\u003e\u003e What about it?\n\u003e\u003e Well, [COUGH] why you think the bureaucracy didn't have that option. You know that Warren Christopher and Bill Perry and Tony Lake all went along with doing that. And it struck me that-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=658.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e With letting him come?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, it was only Alan Romberg and Jim Steinberg writing out a policy plan and you said, watch out. A volcano's gonna erupt.\n\u003e\u003e No, I wasn't involved in any of this, nor was I consulted about any of it.\n\u003e\u003e I'm fishing for you to tell me a little bit about how you saw it and then what you did because you obviously were concerned.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=688.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well, I was convinced it would lead to an explosion, especially as we are giving them assurances. But it wouldn't happen. I had no doubt that it would lead to an explosion. They probably thought in the White House that they could talk their way out of it and tell them it didn't mean anything.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=713.0,735.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd they always have that tendency, and Gingrich has it too, of telling the Chinese that if we have certain political imperatives, that means it's a problem for the Chinese. But for the Chinese, it's a problem of the reality of the conception by other countries. So I had no doubt that the reaction would be bad.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=735.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut what it would be, I didn't know.\n\u003e\u003e How did you come to go on the hill and go to the White House and talk to [INAUDIBLE]?\n\u003e\u003e I didn't go. What happened was I was in China but they went through the ambassador and we didn't have an ambassador.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=758.0,776.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI was in China on a trip that had been scheduled a long time earlier. And it became obvious to me that there was no communication between China and the United States. And you were with me.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, I was with you.\n\u003e\u003e And we were drifting towards what I take to be an untenable situation of no communication between the two of us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=776.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd since they weren't talking to us [INAUDIBLE], I thought I would do what I could to try to get the dialogue started. And I came up with a formula by which it might get started. And I tried it out on the Chinese. And I said if they [INAUDIBLE], I would take it to the president and he would read it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=801.0,826.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm, that was a formula on the reaffirmations.\n\u003e\u003e Well, the formula to find a forum where they could talk and neither of them had to invite the other.\n\u003e\u003e Uh-huh, was that in Brune?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, Brune but they were gonna be at the meeting anyway. And the idea was that there the two could meet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=826.0,853.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSecretary Christopher would bring a letter restating what we've already said. And on the basis of that, talks would start on the basis of [INAUDIBLE] conversation with [INAUDIBLE] and the president [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e 50th anniversary.\n\u003e\u003e For the 50th anniversary. It was sort of [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e You had a conversation with Bill Clinton.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=853.0,881.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHe has promised to see me for this but since the Monica eruption, I'm just worried about it but anyway.\n\u003e\u003e I went to see the president with Hague, [INAUDIBLE], Greenberg.\n\u003e\u003e Greenberg.\n\u003e\u003e People who were with me. Cuz I didn't wanna make this a Kissinger thing.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=881.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e And I wanted them to give their impressions. Now they had not heard my conversations with [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e Which had been when you were in China that Summer?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, they were all with me in China and they could testify [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e But they weren't at the meeting.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=907.0,921.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But I requested a gentleman would be [INAUDIBLE] that are not even me. But arranged a separate meeting for me and that's also when I presented my idea on [INAUDIBLE] to [INAUDIBLE], myself, [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Your idea about how to Get him out?\n\u003e\u003e But first there were two separate problems, how to handle Harry Wolf.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=921.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e And my recommendation was in fact what they did.\n\u003e\u003e What did they do?\n\u003e\u003e They tried him and.\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e My basic point was that I put it on the ground that it was not a human rights problem, but a problem of ruthless management on that they think they could do it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=955.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm.\n\u003e\u003e And secondly, I told them it could not be that there were no communications between the United States and China, no matter how bad our relations were.\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm.\n\u003e\u003e And then, therefore, and they've taken my idea to and they didn't turn it down.\n\u003e\u003e It seems to me that in the Clinton administration there has been a dichotomy between Bill Clinton's conceptualization of where he'd like to be with China, which seems to be about right, which seems to be well stated understanding the importance of it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=975.0,1012.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that seems to be disconnected with how the way his policy has been channeled by their congressional relations and by the issues, the posting of the issues that they campaigned on.\n\u003e\u003e Mr.Kenney, I mean, this is for your book or is this for a column? Because this gets a little more sensitive when you start talking about-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1012.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, this is all for my book. And I'm not doing anything and if you're gonna change any kind of ground rules, it's also fine.\n\u003e\u003e No, I just wanna alert, Henry.\n\u003e\u003e No, but you're not going to write an article now.\n\u003e\u003e No, no, I'm Nixon to Clinton all between the covers of the book.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1036.0,1049.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Now, what is the question?\n\u003e\u003e The question is that there is always been, it seems to to me and I would to reaction whether you agree with this or whether you have a view on this. That Clinton intellectually understands what he like to be in China and that is a mature constructed view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1049.0,1064.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut that is always been disconnected with how his own foreign policy has been channeled and carried out by the State Department.\n\u003e\u003e It is very politically oriented conducted foreign policy.\n\u003e\u003e Right, it can be, it came out on the campaign.\n\u003e\u003e It's a diplomatic politic, so it's more susceptible to pressure groups.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1064.0,1086.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe way the pressure groups [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Would it be less susceptible if it get decided early on?\n\u003e\u003e To give an address on China and to take-\n\u003e\u003e But he actually gave a very good address just before Jiang Zemin in came in, when was that?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, in September.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1086.0,1105.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Did you know that no cameras were allowed? Do you remember?\n\u003e\u003e We didn't see it on TV\n\u003e\u003e I did not.\n\u003e\u003e There was a political constraint on that speech.\n\u003e\u003e Maybe I didn't know, think I did know that?\n\u003e\u003e The political people didn't, have never wanted-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1105.0,1118.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, but\n\u003e\u003e Winston has been saying, said all through the administration, week by week you'd see Winston and he'd say, the president's gonna give a speech and he's gonna lead on China.\n\u003e\u003e It is the sort of thing that is bound to get the administration in trouble because the president doesn't believe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1118.0,1133.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e You're testing light every pressure group to keep us giving into their demand.\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e And then, they create artificial yard sticks, I believe, to it up on us. And if that was true and they found it hard. [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e Five years.\n\u003e\u003e Administration, too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1133.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Do you think it's about where it ought to be now, or you think the Chinese are just waiting for the next administration?\n\u003e\u003e No, I think they're basically on a good course. I think if there is a problem, that when the president says strategic dialogue, he means multi-subject dialogue.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1149.0,1167.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut all the subjects are subjects he's interested in. Well, what I would considered strategic dialogue that I didn't particularly like there was Japan, there's Russia between how you visualize [CROSSTALK] to give the context of the power balance. That he doesn't really like, he likes to talk about in environment, the liberation, human rights, and so forth, so I'm not sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1167.0,1194.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean, if that's diverse right now, but I'm not sure if they got the idea.\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm what about Taiwan?\n\u003e\u003e I read an article the other day by Joe Nye. Certainly, state sensitive. I don't know when, but I recommend it to you.\n\u003e\u003e He sent me a piece that he's written recently that is basically a defense of engagement.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1194.0,1225.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt wasn't really conceptualiz-\n\u003e\u003e No no, there was a piece out of it that said, United States, to say that it will oppose the use of force. But also that it will not recognize an independent Taiwan. Taiwan will make to dennounce the use of force against the minority and so it will not make itself independent.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1225.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut you know-\n\u003e\u003e China will announce this?\n\u003e\u003e Basically, it's making it explicit that it has an understanding right now.\n\u003e\u003e Right, have you talked to Chas Freeman about the, Chas has a kind of a dark view and some people say he's exaggerated. But there are a lot of people, including people in the White House now, I think working for Berger on China, who believe that all of the elements of potential confrontation over Taiwan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1251.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSomewhere in the first decade after Macau and as Johnson feels the pressure to carry out the legacy that **** and Mao entrusted this generation with, which is to somehow manage a Taiwan transition.\n\u003e\u003e That would be a surprise.\n\u003e\u003e You'd be surprised if there's trouble?\n\u003e\u003e No, I think, unlike policies on both sides can do trouble.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1279.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right.\n\u003e\u003e I think the Chinese will need to develop, my difference only would be will it be in the next 10 years or in the next 25? Somewhere along the road of China's advancement, of which China would want a confrontation with the United States over Taiwan in the next ten years has to be made.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1303.0,1324.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, but are they investing in their military because they believe they have to have military credibility, so that when they do put the next best offer on the table for Taiwan, which I think will be a very good one, but they have to make that offer look credible by the military approach.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1324.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But they, but I don't think their military buildup, they always give you percentage terms over what it was but since it was very low.\n\u003e\u003e I don't see, it's not there. [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e Think of that, it's a fifth of Japan.\n\u003e\u003e [COUGH]\n\u003e\u003e But if you asked the commander of the Taiwanese navy, would he'd like to deal with all of those toll boats and all of those aircraft in short time frames, while the United States is making up its mind when and how to intervene?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1343.0,1373.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, he wouldn’t want that.\n\u003e\u003e And that's the kind of credibility, I think,\n\u003e\u003e I just don't think that China, it depends a lot on what the overall international situation will pick a fight on Taiwan within the next five years or so. What do you think, I mean, I\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1373.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I had lunch with Chas a couple of weeks ago and indeed it is very gloomy. I think the key question is whether The United States is still engaged in Asia? If as a result of this Asian crisis, we get an anti-American wave in Asia leads to over time to [CROSSTALK]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1390.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well that's for sure we're gonna get.\n\u003e\u003e From Japan. No, but the question is are we still engaged in Asia? At hat point, the Chinese threshold-\n\u003e\u003e [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e But the Chinese, my judgement is the Chinese have a couple For the of Japan right now. And they don't want us to organize an anti Chinese [INAUDIBLE] in the next ten years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1404.0,1421.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] Don't want the Japanese to do that.\n\u003e\u003e While I'm thinking of it, Newt Gingrich. Also in that summer, whatever you did in that room with Newt Gingrich changed Gingrich on China. He came to China about the time that Al Gore did the last year I was there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1421.0,1444.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEverything that came out of his mouth was very smart. Much smarter than he had been during the visa questioning. [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e What did you say to him?\n\u003e\u003e He came out and said his engineer thinks that I'm smart and that's seems to be enough for him\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1444.0,1462.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I said two guys like us that speak with an accent. Put them together.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Look, I have the same story for everybody, I don't know if [INAUDIBLE] here. And Gingrich I know him. I've known him since he was a two year congressman and I've always thought highly of his intelligence.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1462.0,1485.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right he is pretty smart.\n\u003e\u003e Not so much about his self discipline and I told him what I thought which is what I told you.\n\u003e\u003e Right and he responded.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah.\n\u003e\u003e Why do you think he had said what he had said earlier if it was so destructive?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1485.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Cuz he was playing to his.\n\u003e\u003e Constituency?\n\u003e\u003e Constituency and you know he goes back and forth. When we are with him, he's very good. Then he goes to Taiwan, says the opposite then he goes back to the mainland. So he's very audience driven. When is your book going to come out?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1505.0,1525.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I'll be done at Christmas. It will be out at in 99. I didn't mean to accuse you in this question about transitions of a cabal against the democrats. But I think it's a legitimate question. No one seems.\n\u003e\u003e No, but what I understand became [INAUDIBLE] is certainly what I found.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1525.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhen I arrived at the White House, you could say when there was nothing in the tape and we had to reconstruct a record by going to the department.\n\u003e\u003e Came over, did bring the Vietnam, who brought the Vietnam records over? How did you assemble that? That must have been hell.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1550.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It could have been hell. I don't know. I asked each of my guys to but I wasn't about it. I was not maybe naive enough to believe we didn't. We could get what we wanted and I maintained good terms with Johnson. I don't feel that I was deprived of information I should have had quite honestly now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1575.0,1601.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e You don't think that a system that omehow.\n\u003e\u003e It's a lousy system. It’s a lousy system, but apparently every president cleans out their files and puts them into it. I did not, in fact have anything to do with. I went to great lengths to make sure that everything I had went to.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1601.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow I have talked to and there may have been one party of documents that were in the Nixon files that were more difficult to extract.\n\u003e\u003e That's true. This I frankly wasn't aware of. But I met with and Vance and I believe Winston will tell you that everything we had in our files they got in the state department but state department files don't leave at the time of the transition.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1624.0,1654.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat was my only position was secretary of state, the White House transition [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e But are you aware of any statute that was created in the Carter administration would leave a microfilm copy of records?\n\u003e\u003e Krezenski claimed. Yeah he said that to me and I didn't understand.\n\u003e\u003e Prezenski claims that the Carter people microfilmed their files and put them into the, but I saw Mike Orenburg this weekend in Berlin and had never heard of it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1654.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I asked him he said I don't think that's so.\n\u003e\u003e And so.\n\u003e\u003e What struck me funny about the Vance story of not being able to answer a question off the record is that Phil Habib was.\n\u003e\u003e Phil Habib was [CROSSTALK] and look if you need any of my press statements, anything I've done.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1689.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI've created I believe the best record that has ever been kept by any secretary of state I had transcript of staff meetings, of every conversation. Not taped, I mean I had note takers then of all the conversations. I was a on historical continuity and especially on a key policy like China what.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1713.0,1739.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nActually I don't wanna tell you what your theme should be, I believe the theme to me of China policies. That for 20 years a bipartisan policy has been conducted more or less in the same direction with nuance between them. And even the biggest deviation was at the beginning of the Clinton administration and that was sort of brought back.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1739.0,1764.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Wel,l a correlatry would you accept that the continuity has been marked by a period of learning for? It was several administrations Regan on Taiwan.\n\u003e\u003e Everybody.\n\u003e\u003e Regan on Taiwan, Carter on reacting to Nixon Ford.\n\u003e\u003e Well we had to learn too when we started on China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1764.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe thought were some [INAUDIBLE] we went to the Romanians and we didn't, when I first went. Went to China, I thought the Chinese were sort of [INAUDIBLE]. I didn't understand their imperial style. The tendency to manuever you into the position of where you offer then what they want.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1789.0,1815.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I do have to read these transcripts from that point of view. [INAUDIBLE] fellows were not very bright.\n\u003e\u003e One of the political questions, at the end of Vietnam in the late 1960s the Democrats were also interested in China as an issue. And it seemed to me that once you all were in office, that Teddy Kennedy and Mansfield and others began to think about orchestrating trips to China for themselves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1815.0,1849.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Yes.\n\u003e\u003e Do you believe that that had a political component, they were so sure that Nixon would not make toward John.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah but they did it all in the context of their view of Vietnam that we were a war mongering, blood letting.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] Bunch of war criminals or potential war criminals and that they were going to ease the Chinese mind.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1849.0,1875.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI went to Harvard before I took my first trip to have a meeting on China. I didn't tell them why. All they wanted to talk to me about was how To recognize Taiwan, how to recognize China and how to solve the UN membership question. Well Nixon in my view was we either had fundamental strategic.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1875.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd the difference between Teddy Kennedy whom I actually. Like [INAUDIBLE] but Teddy Kennedy Mansfield all of these people would've done it. In the context that would've driven the Chinese up a wall, would've made us look weak. The Chinese needed a Nixon. That's not because he was conservative but because he was geopolitically oriented.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1897.0,1924.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e They needed someone.\n\u003e\u003e They needed somebody who didn't throw up when you said balance of power.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, who didn't grovel.\n\u003e\u003e And who didn't grovel. I apologize, that's an interesting point had the democrats made the deal how would they have?\n\u003e\u003e I promise you we did not really originally we were going to play it straight.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1924.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOriginally we sent Sturttle into the Chinese and we started the Warsaw talks. then the Chinese said, why don't you send somebody to Beijing. And that triggered a huge memo from the state of. What did they want to discuss, claims and assets. [CROSSTALK] [LAUGH]. Not to liberate communications. 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He started to think about what could go wrong.\n\u003e\u003e And me?\n\u003e\u003e Well, I mean On the point that, no one wanted to move towards China as much as him, and, and he was cut out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=1981.0,2006.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, he is right. And actually he's an outstanding person. [INAUDIBLE]. And we sit back Wear black, but he could have. We would have let them move that they have done it the way Nixon and I wanted, but they wanted to get it. 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We had to do it [INAUDIBLE].\nBut Nixon was the ideal man for them not because he was secretive not because he was conservative but because.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2026.0,2049.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHe and to some extent I, and the duke. And I, we talked with them in a language they understood.\n\u003e\u003e Mm-hm.\n\u003e\u003e There might have been a more elevated way to do it, but that was the deal they wanted. It's how they've been there. That's how they look in\n\u003e\u003e I haven't finished thinking through when I research just the notion, the interest, the demo graph seemed to show in, especially after your.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2049.0,2088.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean, they were beating down the consulate doors to get visas\n\u003e\u003e After the it would be easy for them.\n\u003e\u003e No, but I mean, they would find.\n\u003e\u003e But they did it all wrong.\n\u003e\u003e Allocate the policy and.\n\u003e\u003e Look, there was a one great episode and then we'll have to end it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2088.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Okay. I believe that one of the turning points was our failed negotiations in Cambodia.\n\u003e\u003e Mm.\n\u003e\u003e But there was. At any rate after the deal. So Senator Magnate goes to China. And playing the game complains bitterly about our bombing. Which of course he had to extol in order to explain why he made a deal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2106.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMagnus said don't worry about it. Here we go.\n\u003e\u003e I was.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e And says true love becomes irrational with anger. And keep yelling at him you don't understand.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH] Well. 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And Magniton wasn't one of the most troublesome ones, he was actually a good guy he just didn't know what he was doing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2170.0,2203.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Right didn't understand. Thanks very much for seeing me.\n\u003e\u003e Okay and have you talked to Ford? [INAUDIBLE] Possible.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e I'm having a little trouble with Carter but I think I'll get through in another couple of weeks.\n\u003e\u003e He's a wonderful man. 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I went over to him at the White House dinner because I like him a lot and said hello.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2228.0,2248.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd he said, well, I've got this guy, Tyler Was that what he did.\n\u003e\u003e And if you'd like to see him it'd be a good thing. I said have him call me in November, I didn't say I'll see you on November I was out of town on.\n\u003e\u003e I got a miscommunication, I got a message from him that he had called you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2248.0,2265.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that I thought he had called you and that.\n\u003e\u003e Well maybe he had called me I dont' remember it, I don't think there was a phone call. He talked to me at the White House dinner amongst a crowd.\n\u003e\u003e No wonder you've forgotten.\n\u003e\u003e But I like him a lot and I take him seriously.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2265.0,2283.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I spent a lot of time with him, he had the. I write next to politics and negotiating skills.\n\u003e\u003e You were very good.\n\u003e\u003e Very good.\n\u003e\u003e And they like him.\n\u003e\u003e Yup.\n\u003e\u003e All right, in the end I don't know if you read closely. I've been reconstructing this.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2283.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I might say say there's still some conflict about what happened. Happened on December 15th over the arms sales question.\n\u003e\u003e December 15th is what?\n\u003e\u003e The December 15th, 78 is when they close the deal with Don on normalization. And we're coupling out in need of native presentation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2298.0,2317.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhich was, basically, we will terminate the defense treaty under its terms. Which means it'll run out in a year's time. And during that year, we'll make no new commitments for sales to Taiwan. But we'll deliver anything that's in the pipeline and already committed. And I think the period being there and I think their memory is that it was inferential, because Leonard believed strongly that this was an issue of sovereignty.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2317.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we couldn't negotiate terms on arms sales, but they're trying to sell arms to a portion of China. It wasn't gonna work that way. And it had to be influential and that the statement on peaceful transition had to be a unilateral statement on our side, cuz they weren't gonna make one.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2348.0,2364.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8563/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMade that clear and I covered meeting with.\n\u003e\u003e That sounds reasonable to me, I just don't know. But I certainly didn't oppose the agreement.\n\u003e\u003e Good.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635#t=2364.0,2390.12569"}]},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8564","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["ms_1981_s07_b1011_0002_caption.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/18020/file/73635/transcript/8564/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e Normally Celestine and\nI agreed to look after 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