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I should tell you what a British reviewer wrote about one them, he said I don't know whether Mr. Kissinger is a great writer. But anyone finishing this book is a great reader.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=0.0,32.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e After the unfortunate events of last January, [COUGH] With the change of administration, I took a vow of uncharacteristic silence. And said, that I would not make any public comments for six months. And, I'm keeping to this in the sense that I've not spoken for the public record.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=32.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut during my term in office, I had the opportunity to associate with outstanding Texans. With John Connelly and Bill Clemons. And Armstrong and the immigrant Texan, George Bush. Now, you'll appreciate that given the natural reticence that characterized Texan.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e It took me some times a little while to figure out what exactly Bill Clemons wanted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=82.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut, after he hit me over the head a few times with a baseball bat. I got the point and I've never worked with a group of stronger men and women more patriotic, more dedicated. And I had the opportunity twice while I was secretary of state to come to Texas.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=129.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd you may not, you cannot appreciate what it means when one is in a town, which at that time had a one party press more or less, and when one was constantly assailed by doubt and cynicism. To come to a part of the country that felt strong, and patriotic, and supportive, and meant an enormous amount to me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=155.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd so, when I was asked to come down here. I took this as my first trip outside of Washington, to make some observations about foreign policy. In order to spare you the convoluted sentences which both my German and Harvard background tend to produce.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e I propose to speak for about 20 minutes, assuming I can play the verb in that period.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=189.0,244.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd then, I'll answer your questions about whatever aspect of foreign policy interests you most I'd like to begin with a comment about what Mrs. Hill said, in her introduction about my own personal history. There is no country in the world where an immigrant could become Secretary of State.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=244.0,276.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n20 years after having been sworn in as a citizen. The thought that I could have arise to such a position never occurred to me at the time. But that it is possible, in a time of crisis, in this country, for a foreign-born to reach this position. It is an enormous tribute to the open-mindedness and to the Democratic Spirit of the American people.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=276.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd in my whole time of office, I never received one letter that said, who are you to tell us? What we should think about foreign policy? Now maybe In the southern part of this country, they thought that my accent was a Harvard accent.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e But, I make this observation because perhaps, as a foreign born.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=311.0,350.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI have had a deeper understanding than people who tend to take it for granted of what America means to the world. When you travel around the world, you must realize that without America's commitment, they can be no security. And without American dedication there can be no progress. And our involvement in the world is not a favor we do to other countries.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=350.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt is a necessity for the United States. Our economy and the lives of our people have become now decisively dependent, on what happens in far away countries. And the decisiveness, determination, and mastery that the United States can show with respect to evolving events. Will determine where there are jobs in America and a phosphorous economy or whether there is a recession as occurred in 1973.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=395.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut as a result of events thousands of miles away our economy was thrown Into turmoil. And again, whether we will live in a secure world or one under constant pressure, again depends very importantly on American actors. But, there is one important difference now, compared to previous periods. The most difficult problem of publishing making is That when your capacity for action is greatest, the knowledge on which to base that action is at a minimum.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=439.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhen your knowledge is greatest, the capacity for our action has often disappeared. Can give you two examples. One from the 30s, one from the contemporary period. In 1936, when the Germans remilitarized the Rhineland, one French division could have stopped what was going on and spared mankind all the horrors that followed afterwards, but the world would still be debating whether Hitler was a misunderstood nationalist or whether he was bent on world domination.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=494.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFive years later, everybody knew he was bent on world domination., but it was a knowledge acquired at the cost of 20 million lives. Last year, in 1975 and 1976, there were many of us in Washington Who felt that the sending of a Cuban expeditionary force to Africa was a change in the international environment, which would have profound consequences for many years and maybe decades.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=535.0,576.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe felt that if the Soviet Union was permitted to operate 8,000 miles away from its base of supply in an area of potential massive raise conflict given the situation in Rhodesia and South Africa that we could easily lose control over event at a moment when our efforts were succeeding, and when [COUGH] only another month or two.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=576.0,618.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat stood between us and the achievement of our objectives. And when all it cost us was a little money, a few tenths of millions of dollars. We were not talking about American forces. At that moment, we were prevented from pursuing it by Congressional Act. Nobody could proof then how significant Angola would turn out to be and it was easy to say this is a far away country about which we know nothing, which is what was said about Czechoslovakia in 1938.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=618.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nToday, we are seeing the beginning of the consequences of our inability to do what was right then. We're seeing it in Rhodesia and we may soon see it in South Africa. What one has to learn in foreign policy is if you make a relatively small of a dealing, you may not know that it was necessary, but you may save yourself greatly further down the road.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=656.0,693.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, if you wait until events get out of control, one will have to pay a horrendous price. And the longer one waits, the higher the price will be. This places on American foreign policy, an extraordinary responsibility. [COUGH] Because except in the rarest of circumstances, only the United States has a public opinion that is patriotic and strong enough and the resources.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=693.0,737.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd hopefully, the leadership to take action when there is still time. Now, we now have a new administration. And candidly, it puts those of us who have served in previous administrations into a complicated position. On the one hand, we know what it is like to conduct foreign policy under constant harassment and we are aware of the fact that every American administration since 1960 has ended badly through assassination or turmoil or domestic upheaval or other matters.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=737.0,799.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo as Americans, we have an interest in their success. But also as time goes on, we have an obligation to point out our concerns. Now on this occasion, I'll just go through a few problem areas that I see, that are before us and then we can go into details on any one of them as your questions develop.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=799.0,845.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe turned over at the end of January, the most peaceful world that any new administration has inherited in the entire the post-war period, but there are trends that are now developing in many parts of the world which keep the prospects for progress, poised between possible success and possible danger.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=845.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nLet us start with Europe. For the entire post-war period, the relations between the United States and its European allies have been at the core of our security and central to our economic relations. We have become used to a very close association with like-minded states and our relationship with our European allies has been very close.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=888.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd yet, those of you who have interest in Europe or opportunity to visit there will know that in France and Italy and maybe Spain, but certainly in France and Italy. The prospect of communist participation in government is very real. Now there are many Clever writers and professors at institutions with which I used to be associated that believe that the communists have become assimilated in the democratic process.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=931.0,981.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI want to say that communist participation in the government of Europe will mark a fundamental change in the Atlantic relationship. I do not believe that the leadership of these parties has changed except in tactics. I believe that the electoral appeals they make are incompatible with close association with the United States.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=981.0,1017.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I think that over a period of time, communist participation in major governments in Europe is bound to undermine the entire post-war structure as we have known it. It is not something the United States can take lightly. It is not something we must treat as a foregone conclusion.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1017.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd which way it tips will importantly determine whether we will have a period of peace and progress or a period of increasing complexity. If you go to the other part of the world, if you go to East Asia, where we have had extraordinarily close ties with Japan. We, again, have a tendency to believe that the close friendship that developed between us and Japan is a natural phenomenon that is bound to endure for all eternity.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1046.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYet, if you look at Japanese history, you will see that Japan shifted from feudalism to emperor worship in a few months because of the visit of some American warships. And it shifted from emperor worship to democracy in a few days. Again, I must say because of the visit of some American warships.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1094.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e This suggests that the Japanese are very conscious of the relationship of power in their part of the world. And if they should ever get the idea that the United States is withdrawing its protection or failing to understand its interests, that the Western Pacific is no longer a source of primary American concern, you could see changes in Japan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1125.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEqually as dramatic as the changes that have already occurred twice in one century. From this point of view, troop deployments of the United States in East Asia should be looked at not only from the point of view of their immediate, technical significance but from the point of view of their political impact on the other countries.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1163.0,1190.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd it's for this reason that I must tell you, in all candor, that I have the gravest doubts about the withdrawal of American forces from Korea. From another point of view, the same problem exists with the People's Republic of China. Mrs. Hill was kind enough to refer to my nine visits to China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1190.0,1226.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd it is customary to say that they reflected the deep seeded desire of the American and Chinese people whose separation from each other for 20 years was unnatural. Now in all candor, I must tell you that having been there for nine times, I got the impression that the Chinese existed quite contently for 2,000 years, without contact with the United States.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1226.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e And they would suffer no enormous ends of deprivation-\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e If they had no contact with the United States for another 2,000 years.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Except for one thing, they are scared to death of the Soviet Union. What led us to China was not their desire to get Taiwan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1262.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNor can we ease our relationship with them by yielding on the Taiwan issue. What they want from us is an understanding of the world balance of power. If we conduct ourselves in a manner that they believe, we can prevent the Soviet Union from taking over what they call hegemony in Eurasia.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1290.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe can have a constructive relationship. If they believe that we've become vapid and flabby and superficial, then their only salvation will be either to accommodate with the Soviet Union. Or to organize the so-called third world into a block which would then, again, be contrary to our interests. In Africa, in which the events in Angola imposed on us in our last year in office the necessity for a very active policy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1319.0,1376.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOur concern was always To keep in mind that there were two problems. One, the problem of how to prevent radical movements from taking over the evolution of a continent whose economic resources could have a profound impact on the economic future of Europe and also of the Western hemisphere.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1376.0,1417.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAt the same time, to encourage a moderate evolution towards change. The United States has to be very careful not to encourage a radicalism that can only benefit outside powers that may be able to use our own rhetoric To support their objectives. And so there too, the next few years will face us with important choices.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1417.0,1456.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBill Clemons and I have talked more about the Middle East, for example, than I think about any other part of the world. And it isn't often that one can isolate one conversation that then shapes a whole policy. But on the way back from my visit to Dallas last year, things blew up in Lebanon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1456.0,1488.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd he and I discussed how this should evolve in our interest. And I must say that to considerable extent due to his advice, we managed to have an evolution there that was of the interest of moderation in the Middle East and were counted to the radical forces. But there too we have to make up our mind just exactly what is it we want.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1488.0,1524.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nDo we want the Russians in on a settlement? Or do we want them out of a settlement? Do we want to go to Geneva? Or do we want to settle things as much as possible with the moderate states in the area on our own? I always favored the second course, to shape as much as we could by American influence.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1524.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut whatever decision we make we'll have a decisive influence on our future. Not only in terms of our energy supplies but also in terms of the tremendous financial power that these countries now command, and that they haven't even begun to use yet in any systematic way. And so much of this gets back to our relation with the Soviet Union.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1550.0,1592.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere are a number of things to keep in mind about the Soviet Union. First, it is a regime that is ideologically hostile to us, and no amount of evolution has changed that fact. It is a regime that has been accumulating military power throughout its history. And as its industrial and technological pace grows, its military power has also mounted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1592.0,1631.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we can debate forever what their intentions are. But I think it is safe to assume that they are not acquiring this military power in order to be nice to us. So this presents a security problem. And whatever our intentions, we must have a strong military defense. Third, in the area of defense, whether we like it or not, the nuclear in the nuclear categories.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1631.0,1668.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt's the forces of the two sides increasingly tend to cancel each other out. This is a fact of life, which we can ignore only at our peril. And therefore, the capacity for intervention regionally becomes more and more important. And there we are at a disadvantage for many reasons, including the fact that nearly 60% of our defense budget goes for pay and allowances.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1668.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd only 30% of their defense budget goes for similar categories. So everything being equal, we are likely to wind up with smaller forces. But whatever we decide, something must be done in the next four to five years to strengthen our capacity for regional defense. Because sooner or later, something is going to happen.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1701.0,1741.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEven if it isn't intended by the Soviets. In 1973, as Bill knows very well, there was a night when we thought the Soviet Union was intervening in the Middle East. And I hate to think, What the balance of forces would have looked like if we'd both had had to go simultaneously.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1741.0,1768.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd people don't understand that we had to go on alert rapidly and scare them off through a gradual escalation. We got ourselves into a situation which we would have had great difficulty supporting either militarily or even more so politically, given the fact that we were in the middle of the Watergate crisis at that particular moment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1768.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, we have to realize that the Soviets have massive problems of their own. They're an inefficient system, they're a tired leadership. Where they prevail, it is because of persistence, not through brilliance. They have a massive problem in having China on one side and Western Europe on the other.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1795.0,1820.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd if we can hold those two together over a period of time, the Soviet Union will be more and more absorbed in it's own problems. Now, I've been identified with a policy of detente. To me, detente means the management of conflict between hostile sisters. It means that we must not permit a situation to arise as existed in the late 60s and early 70s where the United States, all over the world, was not identified with the desire for peace.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1820.0,1864.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt does not mean friendship, it does not mean trust, it does not mean that our problems have disappeared. It means a tactical positioning of the United States so that we can maintain public support and international support. And so that if there are opportunities to settle conflicts we are prepared to do it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1864.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut that we also, when we resist, can do so having proved to our public that we have made every effort to look at the other alternative. But it doesn't never can it mean that we must let down our guard. So I come back to the original problem. Everything depends on, The United States around the world today.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1890.0,1923.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEverything depends on what we think of ourselves. Everything depends on our willingness to make tough decisions. Everything depends on what other people, looking at us believe we are likely to do. So the signal we give, the attitude we exhibit is going to determine the peace and progress of the world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1923.0,1968.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, the peace and progress of the United States. Now this is what we face in the years ahead. [COUGH] Rarely has such a responsibility fallen on one people. And never has there been a people that has gone through so much as we have in the last decade, and yet kept its faith and its real strengths.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=1968.0,2006.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo I think challenges are great but our prospects are good. And everything now depends on how our leadership will deal with it. Thank you very much and I'll be glad to answer your questions.\n\u003e\u003e [APPLAUSE]\n\u003e\u003e [APPLAUSE]\n\u003e\u003e I'll be. I'll be. Yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e What is your reaction to the United States surrendering the Panama Canal?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2006.0,2048.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Well it depends what you mean by surrendering the Panama Canal. Candidly when I was in office, I supported the negotiations about the Panama Canal. And let me give you my reason. There are two issues connected with the Panama Canal. One is the administrative control over the canal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2048.0,2083.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe second is the defense of the canal. The problem we face with respect to the canal is that if we insist on maintaining the relationship that was established in 1903, we may face an endless guerilla war supported by all of the Latin American countries. I believed that we can be flexible with respect to administrative control.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2083.0,2120.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe cannot be flexible about defense. The defense of the canal and the unimpeded access through the canal must remain under American control. The administrative operation of the canal is something on which I think we can be flexible. And therefore, I would judge the result of a negotiation by the criteria of whether it gives the United States two rights.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2120.0,2153.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne, to defend the Canal against outside aggression, and secondly, to ensure it, that there is free and unimpeded passage through the canal. If we can maintain those two rights, then I would not worry too much about changes in the administrative control and technical operation of the canal. If we do not maintain those two rights, then I would not support any new arrangement that is made.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2153.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes sir?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well Let me put it in more general terms, because I don't believe you can isolate any one problem and say any one problem is more or less likely to lead to war. I would say that is a general proposition And also, I would not have started myself with the West Bank, quite candidly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2190.0,2228.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would think that if there is no visible progress towards peace within the next year, that then the position of moderate leaders like Sadat and even Assad, who has become more moderate and even the Saudi leadership will become very difficult. I would say, above all, the position of Sadat in Egypt could become precarious.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2228.0,2263.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow how you measure progress, that is a very complicated problem and there is a strategic decision we have to make, whether we put the Palestinians first in line or deal with them a little further down the road. I would have thought that it's as an immediate problem more important to make sure that some progress is made on the frontier issue than on the legal arrangements of who governs what part of West Bank territory.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2263.0,2308.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut certainly some adjustments have to be made on the West Bank, there's no settlement conceivable in which there is no territorial change on the West Bank. The big problem now is there have been a lot of conversations, but there has been no clear cut strategy that gets us from here to there, and if that doesn't develop soon so that the leaders in the Middle East can tell to themselves in these endless conversations in which they specialize.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2308.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhere they're gonna be six months to a year from now. I think there'll be an increasing radicalization of the area. But to answer your specific question, of course there has to be an adjustment on the West Bank.\n\u003e\u003e So in a direct contact within the regime, it seems let's say, is there any chance the negotiations associated [INAUDIBLE]?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2342.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e If there are contacts between those two regimes, And we occasionally hear rumors about it, we have never had them confirmed. Now as a general proposition about this relationship, let me say a number of things. First, there are few people to whom it was more painful to do what we had to do in 1971.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2372.0,2404.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThan the government on Taiwan. They have been honorable, they've been helpful to their own people, they've been good friends with the United States. Our problem was that we had to create a conduit to Soviet pressures in that area. We had to try to isolate the North Vietnamese and we could not give the Soviets the impression that they would have a clear shot at mainland China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2404.0,2434.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, I have never believed that our relationship with the People's Republic depended primarily on what we did with Taiwan. There are some problems you simply cannot solve. We cannot, whatever legal formula we come up with, we cannot turn over the people of Taiwan to the People's Republic of China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2434.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTherefore, we have to insist that whatever else happens must be done peacefully. Peeking on the other hand, for even understandable reasons, cannot accept the proposition that something they consider their territory should be negotiated with the United States. Therefore, it is an inherently insoluble problem and therefore it's better to leave it alone.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2463.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e [COUGH] There is no good solution to it. What the Chinese get from us, if we designed a correct policy, it's some sort of protection against the Soviet Union. What we get from the Chinese is attraction of Soviet attention to the East and making it impossible for the Soviets to put all their pressures on the West.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2488.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis is a perfectly cold-blooded arrangement benefitting both sides. They're not doing a favor to us and we're not doing a favor to them. And I frankly have always believed, we can make cosmetic adjustments. We can withdraw troops from Taiwan because Taiwan isn't depended by American troops. All our forces they're communications for our own purposes, not for, not really for theirs.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2519.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe can do that sort of thing. We can do symbolic things, which [COUGH] ease whatever pain this relationship causes. But beyond that, I see no need to go at this time or in any forseeable future. Yes, sir?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e [COUGH] Well, I would say, [COUGH] first of all, that any new Administration has to learn the difference between a proclamation and a policy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2545.0,2598.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would argue that when we were in office, we were profoundly concerned about human rights. We managed to get immigration from the Soviet Union, from 400 a year, to about 40,000 a year. Every year we've submitted a list of hardship cases to the Soviet Union quietly. Of hundreds of hardship cases and generally, something on the order of 70% of them were permitted to leave the Soviet Union.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2598.0,2635.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn many other parts of the world, we brought about the release of political prisoners. Indeed, was available to be received in the White House because we brought about his release in December. However, we felt that the strategy to pursue was one of quiet diplomacy and not making it a confrontation with the various countries.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2635.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe danger is, that if we become too vocal, what we say may turn out, may turn into being used by our opponents as a demonstration of our impotence. And they may use it deliberately, that seems to be happening in the Soviet Union now. To harass the very people we think we are helping and then telling them see what your American friends are capable of doing for you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2667.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd then when we get discouraged and drop it with respect to the Soviet Union which is also happening cuz you haven't heard too many comments about them lately. Then the whole human rights campaign turns against our allies. And you see in Brazil and all over the Western hemisphere, and in many other key countries to the United States, that human rights could become a cop out for isolationism and a way of turning our allies against us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2703.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo I support the objectives of the human rights campaign. But I question some of the tactics and I hope to God this meeting is off the record. [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Yes sir, yes friend?\n\u003e\u003e If the president cancels the 87 hours [INAUDIBLE]\nwhat [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well before I get to the aviation industry, let me say this.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2750.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e It is an impossible position for the United States to say, that as a result of Vietnam, we will no longer defend our friends. And at the same time, we will not sell arms to our friends so that they can defend themselves. Not only will it create danger that these friends will buy arms elsewhere because there is no substitute for the F18 anywhere else.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2789.0,2825.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs a result of this, it may so weaken some of our friends, that they will not be able to resist aggression anymore. We should not forget. That in 1973, in the Middle East War [COUGH]\nIran was the only country adjoining the Soviet Union, that did not permit the overflight of its territory into the Middle East, that it continued to sell oil to all countries during the embargo.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2825.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd the security of Iran is a vital American interest and I have never understood why it should be conceived that we're doing Iran a favor, when we let them buy for cash, American military equipment. Now Pakistan has had a very precarious existence and there's something Ridiculous about a situation when India getting from all sources over $1 billion of arms a year, much of it from the Soviet Union, half from the Soviet Union, and half from its own production.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2859.0,2900.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat we could not sell a few hundred million dollars worth of airplanes to Pakistan. As Bill knows, when we were in office, we supported that sale, and we warned Bhutto what would happen, and we told him to conclude it while the going was still good. 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There's the fundamental problem of what other countries will begin to think about our purposes in the world If we neither defend our friends with our forces, nor sell them our arms so that they can defend themselves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2938.0,2973.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis is the key issue that is raised by this weapons policy. Yes, sir?\n\u003e\u003e Dr. Kissinger, on this [INAUDIBLE]\nUnited States from this program.\n\u003e\u003e Well, I think, basically, the Marshall Plan promoted European is one of the big success stories of American Foreign Policy in the sense that at that time, Europe was practically on its knees.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2973.0,3024.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd primarily because of the disparity between the standard of living that its people had come to expect and the economic conditions that has existed as a result of the war. 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In Europe, you had governments that had a tradition of more or less efficient administration, and you had, as the primary political problem, economic dislocations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3100.0,3131.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn other parts of the world, this does not exist. But I would give high marks for the Marshall Plan as an act of creative American statesmanship. Yes.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nreally be prepared [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e Well, I must say the quality of the people in the State Department, contrary to popular opinion and indeed contrary to my own belief before I came in there, the quality of the people is outstanding.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3131.0,3199.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhat is bad? The problem in the State Department, and it's a problem that in three years, I did not have a chance to remedy. I don't wanna say remedy completely, because in three years, you can't even make a good start on it. There are two problems, at least in the state of.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3199.0,3218.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne is the most god awful organization that the mind of man has ever devised. Cuz basically, the State Department is a collection of individual where the assistant secretaries tend to think that they are more or less autonomous. 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So they believe that they know a lot more than the secretary of state, if you're engaged as secretary, in a constant guerrilla war with these bureaus that are trying to nudge you in their direction.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3246.0,3276.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd unless you're a monomaniac, which has been alleged in my case.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e And are willing to work 15 hours a day, they'll wear you down. So it's important to change the administrative structure. Secondly, the perception of themselves, or many of the professionals, is that they are spokesmen for the country.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3276.0,3305.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat they are either accredited to or that they represent by being country directors or whatever. And so they are not trained to look at it from the overall strategic, from the interest, strategic interest of the United States. 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And you've got to stick to something while you're pushing through what may be greatly the American interest but not all that desirable from somebody else's point of view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3331.0,3350.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I think that where strong leadership, one has the raw material there of really very excellent men. And if there were time to reorganize it so that there is more of a cabinet that is responsive to the secretary of state and less of an inbreed organization within the bureaucracy, I think the quality of the people is there to make a very excellent diplomatic establishment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3350.0,3387.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8230/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes, sir.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well, I've tried to point out a number of the problems that I foresee. And over the next four or five years, you can make a prognosis that is very optimistic and one that is\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=3387.0,3429.30284"}]},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["ms_1981_s07_b0933_0001_caption.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[APPLAUSE]\n\u003e\u003e Mrs 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Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=21.599,25.644"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kissinger is a great writer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=25.644,29.263"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But anyone finishing this\nbook is a great 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[APPLAUSE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2023.371,2024.937"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e [APPLAUSE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2024.937,2034.937"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e I'll 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[LAUGH]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2048.784,2051.985"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e Well it depends what you mean by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337#t=2051.985,2056.691"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73337/transcript/8231/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"surrendering the Panama 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Bob Castro is taking trips to Africa, contrary to all our interests, and he is trying to create a sort of a communist black common wealth in the Caribbean.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=3.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't see what American interest is being served. Well, but you have to keep in mind with respect to the Vietnam peace is that the unbelievable pressures which the government was exposed to from the Congress, from the media, and from large parts of the public to get the war round up.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=38.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere wasn't a month that went by when there wasn't some resolution in the Congress to set a terminal date to our involvement. And we faced the problem in all our negotiations of convincing the North Vietnamese, on the one hand, that we were gonna stick in there for getting our objectives.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=104.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd, on the other hand, placating enough of our public so that we wouldn't simply be voted out of it. So this was the problem that the government faced increasingly as the time went on. Nevertheless, with all of these, I think we had a settlement that could have been maintained, had we maintained it with the same determination as we maintain the Korean settlement.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=124.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut then, if at the end of the Korean War in 1953, the Congress had voted an act that prohibited any American military action in, over or around Korea. As it voted in 73 as soon as we were out of Vietnam to prohibit any American military action in, over or around Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=152.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf we had cut the aid to Korea in half in every year after 53 the way we did after 73 in Vietnam, Korea would long since have gone. You look at the history of 1975, when Vietnam fell, the north Vietnamese tried out a very limited operation against the provincial capitol just to see what we would do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=176.0,205.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAt that time, an aircraft carrier was leaving Subic Bay. We wanted to move an aircraft carrier towards Vietnam but not that one. An aircraft carrier left Subic Bay and all hell broke loose. Some news man saw it and we were called before Congressional Committee and the press and television.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=205.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we had to give ten declarations that never would we use force as the Congress has mandated. And when the Vietnamese saw that. And that is in a book written by the North Vietnamese chief of staff, so this is not just my surmise. 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If it is known that the United States is prohibited to do anything, then nothing can be determined.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=248.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think it was a tragedy. I think it had a profound impact on our own people and a profound impact on many people around the world. It has already led to Thailand becoming neutralist. It has lead to an amount of suffering in Indochina, that towards anything that ten years of war produced the new rulers of Cambodia have killed at least a fourth of their own population.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=271.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I don't see the protestors who were so worried about suffering during the war having protest demonstrations about what is going on in Cambodia. It has had a major impact in the Philippines and in Japan. 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When it uses force, it will get no awards for losing with moderation. If you use force, you've got to prevail and therefore you better use it massively and overwhelmingly I think.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=554.0,583.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [APPLAUSE]\n\u003e\u003e And I think it was a mistake, if we went in at all, to go in with this gradual escalation, which gave the Vietnamese a chance to match us. So that also gave our opponents opportunity to rally and totally confuse the issue. 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The final decision as to the use of military force, it's always the President. The State Department as an institution will under whole be against things that will produce too much diplomatic turmoil. But, on the other hand, a strong President will know what the predilections of the State Department as an institution were.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=643.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't think, when I was Secretary of State, that when force was used, I always or often reflected the predilections of my bureaucracy but the final decision has to be the President. 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There were hundreds of thousands who had to go to Vietnam and who did their duty. And I'm very uneasy about the principle that individuals can determine for themselves what war they are going to support their country in and what war they gonna sit out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338#t=725.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17817/file/73338/transcript/8232/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I have never had much sympathy for those who, after all, saved themselves a lot of trouble by going to countries where living is no extraordinary hardship. 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