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Will you tell me who you are when you Ask a question?\n\u003e\u003e May I ask, first of all-\n\u003e\u003e Who are you?\n\u003e\u003e Sorry.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH] My name is Fuji.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI am a Japan diplomat. [INAUDIBLE] just wanted ask [INAUDIBLE] a question. If President Ford were elected and you are still the secretary, what do you have handled differently, a human right question, or Middle-East. I mean what questions you might have handled?\n\u003e\u003e Well, this is the sort of question that I have avoided dealing with.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=28.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCertainly I'm assuming this is an off the record-\n\u003e\u003e Off the record, yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]. I have however also avoided dealing with it on and off the record.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e I think when you'd be more or less responsible for conducting foreign policy for eight years to start sniping at all the tactical decisions that your successors are making, and especially since when I was in office I became very painfully aware of the Difficulty of conducting foreign policy under near civil war conditions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=70.0,109.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo I have a policy not to get into tactical disputes with the administration, not to make an acttack on the administration. Of course as time goes on, if disagreements mount, I'm bound to say something. But even for example, in the speech I gave yesterday on communism in Europe, I did not criticize what is being done, I just stated what my view was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=109.0,139.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the human rights question, it's obvious that our approach was different. It's not true that it was not an important part of our policy. After all, all the legal mechanism that are being used such as basket three of the European security conference, were developed in the previous administration not in this administration.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=139.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut our belief was that if one is concerned about the lives of individuals, it is better to do it on a private basis and not to make it a confrontation between governments. And therefore, after all we did manage to get through with immigration from the Soviet Union from 400 to 38,000.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=167.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBukovsky was released as a result of our initiatives, he wouldn't have been available to be seen in the White House if we hadn't managed to get him released. So it's obvious that I have my doubts, I had my doubts when I was in office about Tthis particular method of confrontation which could, which in my view is likely to turn against the dissidence and make their position more difficult.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=190.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd which as an operational arm of American foreign policy, is more likely to turn against our friends than against our opponents. And become a sort of a cover up by isolationism. But on other things, I'd rather have you ask me not will I differ from the administration about how the general discussion of foreign politics.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=221.0,243.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e One question by [INAUDIBLE] British foreign office. Starting off on the US-Soviet relationship, the statement of principles which was negotiated in the Moscow summit, contained the reference to no unilateral advantage to be taken from either of the two sides. For the Soviet Union to really accept that, would imply a degree of contentment or satisfaction with their present position in the world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=243.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs a long-term objective nevertheless, I think it's something which they might do, but did you get the feeling at the time and in your subsequent negotiations with them, that that was a useful statement to remind them of and to discuss with them what its implications would be, in various parts of the world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=277.0,296.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd was it a useful bit of the communiqué or was it something which was almost forgotten?\n\u003e\u003e Well, I think these communiqués are not self-enforcing. They have the utility that you can invoke them from time to time in specific situations. Secondly, many things happened after that statement of principle, such as detraction amendment, such as the collapse of our executive authority, which created on the one hand, which removed restraints on the other created temptations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=296.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think the only area in which I think it would be fair to say that, the Soviets sought the unilateral advantage by deliberate policy was in Angola. And I believe that at first they thought they could get it for nothing. Then they were heading it into a negotiation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=338.0,361.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd just when the negotiation was beginning, our congress knocked the props out from under us so that there was nothing left to negotiate. And no statement of principles is ever gonna restrain the Soviet Union, when they are being handed a clear field of activity. So I think within the context of a determined policy, a statement of principle can be a useful court of appeals.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=361.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut it cannot by itself produce restraint.\n\u003e\u003e They were prepared, I mean [INAUDIBLE] I agree with you about the fact that these things are not self-enforcing, but they were prepared to sit down and discuss the implications of that phrase to current policies around the globe. It was a useful focus for your-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=392.0,413.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It was a useful pretext. Yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Who are you?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e In view of the mischief that Cuba and the Soviet Union are perpetuating in the African area, is there some action that we did, again taking to separate Castro from the Soviets?\n\u003e\u003e Well, first of all, when you say mischief.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=413.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean, it's sort of ridiculous to expect that a detente policy will deprive a serious opponent of an opportunity which you hand them. And you can't go to the Soviet Union and say, kindly please don't take advantage of this absolutely riskless course, because of detente. Why should they do it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=451.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat's not the way they think. And. So [INAUDIBLE] has never been a substitute for a balance of power, it has never been a substitute for a determined American policy. It is a method for managing conflict without conflagration, and for reducing the intensity of the conflict. But it requires reciprocity of strength as well as reciprocity of restraint.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=474.0,499.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, I consider deliberate attempts to split Cuba from the Soviet Union. That is amateur hour. This is what children do when they don't know what else to do. This is sort of a paper you can write and always sound very bright, when you are on the policy planning staff.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=499.0,519.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNever in the history of the post-war period, has American policy separated any Communist from any other Communist. When the splits occurred we usually weren't aware of it. We didn't know that there was a split between Yugoslavia and The Soviet Union, nor did we know that there was a split between China and the Soviet Union until it had happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=519.0,544.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere may be a split between the Soviet Union and Cuba. It's quite possible that Castro is such a revolutionary and independent phenomenon, that he finds the Soviet Union too bureaucratic to heavy-handed. And if the split occurs, it's probably because he's to the left of the Soviet Union, not to the right of the Soviet Union.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=544.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut the United States cannot promote such a split, and it may be able to take advantage of it if it occurs. And the only way we could promote such as split, the splits had usually occurred when these countries, if we had defeated the Cubans in Angola and if the Soviets have not come to their assistance as they wouldn't have, then that might have been a split.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=570.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I don't preclude that there might be a split, but that cannot be an objective of our policy, and certainly we're not gonna promote a split by recognizing Castro. I think that's irrelevant. Yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e My name is Muhammed from the Arab [INAUDIBLE] West Bank. Some people [INAUDIBLE] Arab countries now, believe the policy of step-by-step [INAUDIBLE] both sides in the Middle-East time, not to prepare for these final solution, for these [INAUDIBLE] time to prepare for war and for hard times, as especially we see after the Israeli election.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=601.0,649.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhen you were a minister here, were your administration unable to make a big step and a step by small steps in order to stop these things?\n\u003e\u003e Well first of all, you have to look at the situation in 1973 as it was. In 1973 the situation was that, the Israeli armies were on the other side of the Suez canal and 20 kilometers from Damascus.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=649.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere was an energy embargo. The United States had no diplomatic relations with either Egypt or Syria. And Therefore the situation was, and the Soviet Union was acting as sort of a lawyer in the first stages for the Arab side. Under those conditions, to attempt an overall settlement before you knew you had any serious contact with the Arab side, and under conditions which would almost certainly have been rejected by Israel, would have produced a maximum danger of another explosion.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=683.0,730.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAfter the event, it is always easy for academicians and newsmen, to indicate what might have been done and how brilliantly it would have worked. But they didn't have mass unemployment, energy crisis, threats of Soviet intervention and no political contact. We didn't know anything about Assad. We knew very little about Sadat and we knew nothing about Assad in December 1973.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=730.0,762.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo we had to make a sort of disengagement. I believe on the contrary, that the step-by-step approach laid the conditions for making major steps this year and next year. What these major steps should be, I don't believe and I would not have if I had stayed in office, continued this step-by-step approach by taking one country at a time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=762.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI might have attempted another big step including all countries, and all parties, and not just the Egypt and Syria. But in retrospect, it's very easy to say that an overall settlement should have been done. Especially, by people who had a chance to do it in 67 and didn't even attempt it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=792.0,818.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean where were the great advocates of an overall settlement in 1967, when it was the easiest to do before the new territorial map had become frozen. Be that as it may, I think the objective conditions for making major progress this year were left to the new administration, and I believe they still exist.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=818.0,845.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes sir.\n\u003e\u003e Michael [INAUDIBLE], the Agency for International Development, [INAUDIBLE] President Nixon [INAUDIBLE] in regards [INAUDIBLE] China [INAUDIBLE] presence. Could you discuss a little bit how this policy was developed, Is this something you usually develop [INAUDIBLE] President [INAUDIBLE] persuading the other [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e When you have two people working closely together, it is impossible after the event to separate out who did what, and it sort of a superficial approach of many newspapers to try to say, who had the greater, who deserves the greater credit for this or that decision.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=845.0,901.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd after all, we still have a reasonably orderly government. And all final decisions have to be taken by the President. Whoever has the original idea, as it happened with respect to the opening to China, he and I came to the same conclusion when we didn't even know each other.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=901.0,920.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we both wrote articles, more or less at the same time, in which we said that this had to be done. And this is a case where both came to same conclusion, more or less simultaneously. Usually the design of policies was left to me. But the final decisions were left to the President.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=920.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I would say he made the decisions Presidents make, and I made the decisions that Security Advisors who had a special standing, in the sense that I was more than a Security Advisor, I was also a negotiator. Make and it's very hard to disentangle. I did most of the operational things, But I am not going to get into a debate as to who deserves credit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=946.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think it's unworthy to have a debate between a Secretary of State and the President, as to who should be given credit for things that happened in the administration.\n\u003e\u003e How influential, to stay on China for a second if I may, is the present US Chinese relationship in US Soviet affairs?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=974.0,995.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIs there a, I think the China card is sort of over crudely expressed in a lot of writing about the subject, but is there a basis of effectiveness there?\n\u003e\u003e Well, as the Chinese are obviously be sent by domestic difficulties, and are not developing as coherent a policy as was the case under Chou En-lai and Mao.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=995.0,1026.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTheir weight against the Soviets is also declining as their weakness becomes more apparent. That is also true in as our relationship is not being pursued on a geopolitical basis, and it's being emphasized more on the bilateral US-Chinese element. Their utility is a weight and the balance is being slightly reduced, but they are, nevertheless, a factor that cannot be discounted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1026.0,1058.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes, sir.\n\u003e\u003e I'm Nelly Sean from France. Could you explain how this policy called the Year of Europe has been launched?\n\u003e\u003e Well, the policy of the Year of Europe was launched at the first, at the consultation with President Pompidou, strange as this may seem to you, with whom it was discussed in December 1972.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1058.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen after consultation with his, At Camp David in January 1973. And then after consultation with Brunt. Then in April, I think the French were the only ones who had an advanced text of the speech for two weeks. But I think there were many factors that produced difficulties. First of all, I think it's important to remember that everything that was proposed in the Year of Europe has since happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1090.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhen the basic theme of the Year of Europe was that there should be closer coordination of the policies of the Atlantic countries. And that it should extend to energy, economics, and other fields, and not just to military base. At that time, many of the European said nothing in the Atlantic relationship never implied anything other that the security relationship.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1125.0,1150.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd yet today, if we set this, all Europeans would say, this is the end of the Atlantic alliance. The summits at Puerto Rico, and London explicitly faced the propositions that were advanced in 1973. Now, what happened in 1973 was that a number of factors combine to make a, this was not intended to produce conflict.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1150.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne, was that it coincided with British entry into the common market, so that the British had an overwhelming interest to prove their European credentials by staying as aloof from these enterprises they could, which would have been a British policy a year earlier, or a year later. Secondly, the whole approach was premised on the proposition that there would be an early summit meeting of the leaders of the Atlantic area, where they would make some general declaration.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1182.0,1218.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell, the fact of the matter is that my speech coincided, which I didn't know, with the Watergate explosion. This in turn made European leaders extremely uneager to meet with President Nixon. There was no longer any political popularity to be gained. As they were not willing to meet with President Nixon, or they were not looking for excuses to meet with President Nixon, everything was shoved into the bureaucracy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1218.0,1245.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd things that could have been settled at the summit in a matter of minutes then became legal issues, this hold debate about consultation is absurd. Supposing the Europeans had signed and planned that there will be a consultation, what would we have done with it? Could we have waived the paper of the Europeans that said, look here, you signed the declaration that you must conserve.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1245.0,1267.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt was absurd, then Pompidou became ill. Then Jobea, in my view, started a started a Pirandello play. He started something that he didn't even take so seriously at first, and found himself from being an obscure official in the LSA palace, certainly became a popular figure. He wanted it just to prove that he wasn't rolling over, and the next thing he knew, he was engaged in a heroic confrontation because you look at the concrete issues that divided us, they're absurd.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1267.0,1299.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou can't even define them anymore today. Should there be consultation? Of course, there should be consultation, whether you write it down or not. And the Europeans need it a lot more than we do. What do we lose if the Europeans do not always consult with us? I mean, our freedom of action is so much greater than that of Europeans inherently.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1299.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCertainly, when the vitreal European countries, that we don't need it nearly as much. So this, and then came the Middle East War. I think without that, it would have been settled in before. So all elements came together to produce a rather abrasive year which, however, was settled very quickly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1320.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd for the last two and a half years of our administration, the relations between Europe and the United States were extraordinarily good.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] I would like to hear your, in relation of the way Ecevit [INAUDIBLE] Cyprus problem when he was Prime Minister? And what do you expect on that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1344.0,1369.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well, you know Ecevit was a student of mine. And the-\n\u003e\u003e Was he a great student?\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e At that time, he was a poet. He wasn't a politician. And the, well, I have had a gut for Ecevit, and I think the Cyprus crisis in 1974 was a tragedy on many levels.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1369.0,1394.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne was, it occurred just at the time of the collapse of the Nixon presidency. So we could not give it the detail, the attention, especially in the second phase of the Turkish advance on Cyprus occurred at the precise moment. That Nixon resigned and Ford took over, and it was very difficult for us, even to find out exactly what was going on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1394.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe never had a clear picture of what was being negotiated at Geneva until too late. But after that, I believe that Ecevit would have moved rapidly towards a settlement. And that, indeed, was our whole strategy, not to have a confrontation on an accomplished fact, but rather to use the confidence that had developed to get a rapid settlement when our Congress, when two things happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1424.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne was that Echevet overestimated his domestic strength and resigned. And the second, that our congress passed the Arms Embargo on Turkey which then gave the Turkish government no possibility of a settlement, or an excuse for digging in. At any rate, I always thought that the best opportunity for a settlement was in the fall of 1974, after Karaman leads had won the election and therefore could have made the concessions that the Greeks must make.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1453.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd if Echevet had stayed in power, he could have made the concessions that were needed to make a settlement. And I think now that he's back, I expect a settlement on Cyprus. Yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Why wasn't I more successful?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, why wasn't successful?\n\u003e\u003e Well, first of all, you have to define what you mean by success.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1497.0,1537.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf you mean by success, that we can meet the long list of unilateral grievances that Latin Americans put forward at OAS meeting. We can never have a successful foreign policy, because we cannot have a relationship between Latin America and the United States in which there's an endless stream of demands and great heroic speeches and no essential reciprocity.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1537.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, I think if I compare the intensity of the feelings at the beginning of the new dialogue towards the end, what did the New Dialogue try to do? The New Dialogue intended to create a situation where the two sides, where Latin American countries and the United States could talk to each other without some of the rhetorical flourishes that had grown up, recognizing that in Latin America there are now many new conditions, including the fact that there is a middle class of countries that has grown up, Brazil, Mexico, potentially Argentina.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1569.0,1611.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn fact, the majority of the Latin American countries are in a state that is really not comparable to that of most other developing countries. And therefore, there were very special conditions in which we could make, we could really cooperate. Now there were a number of factors that worked against it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1611.0,1632.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne was the domestic unrest in some countries that really put them out of the dialogue. The last year or so Argentina was really and Uruguay were preoccupied with their domestic situation. With respect to Chile our Congress created obstacles. With respect to Ecuador, again our Congress created particular obstacles that didn't exist with either Columbia or Peru with which our relationship greatly improved.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1632.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo with those countries where we had some scope, I think with Brazil, Venezuela, Columbia, Peru, Mexico our relations did improve considerably. With respect to Argentina, while I was in office they remained stagnant. With respect to Chile, our relations were really dictated by the Congress and it didn't make any difference what policy we pursued, the Congress did not permit the relation to go beyond a certain point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1661.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWith respect to Ecuador, to some extent to Venezuela, there were congressional actions that made it possible. I still believe that the premises of the New Dialogue were right, in the sense that you cannot deal with Latin America as a unit anymore. And that it is important to get the discussion onto some concrete issues.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1692.0,1716.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I must say that at the last OAS meeting that I attended in Santiago, the discussions were on a more realistic plane and the atmosphere was more friendly, as shown by the eagerness of all countries to find a way to develop a resolution on Panama for example that was tolerable for both sides.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1716.0,1746.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI admit we had special problems with the Ecuadorean representative who spoke in a rather aggressive fashion, but some of this had to do with our congressional acts and some of it had to do with your internal situation and not entirely with our own policy.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] You mentioned a minute ago in response to that you feel that when you left office that you left a framework in which a peace movement could be initiated.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1746.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne thing, of course, that you did not leave were the very strong personal relationships which you had with most of the major players and actors out there. And in the Arab context in particular and the Israeli context I would assume, I don't know that as well. This is no small matter and I wonder if, although you've said that you don't really want to address the present administrations abilities in any respect.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1786.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPerhaps in this context you could, because I think, my own feeling is that if that personal affiliation can not be recreated Then, you are not likely to be able to even begin to move towards negotiation.\n\u003e\u003e It depends also what you mean by the personal affiliation, because I don't want to discourse on Arab psychology in the presence of an Arab representative.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1819.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I think there are two kinds of personal relations, one is to be known as somebody who has a great command of the legalistic situation. Another is to develop some sort of mythical character in the area which apart from any specifics of the issue confers a certain authority in coming up with proposals that neither of the parties might find easy to accept if they developed it themselves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1847.0,1881.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, my instinct is and I stand to be corrected. It's senseless to ask Arab negotiators what concessions they're willing to make in the abstract. They don't know what concessions they're willing to make in the abstract. And they don't look at negotiation, in my judgment, as a purely legalistic process.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1881.0,1903.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt has to grow out of a whole, if they make concessions they'll make it in the last week of the negotiation and in the context of a host settlement which begins Which begins to emerge. They're not going to tell in the abstract and then start bargaining about individual items.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1903.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI've never seen it happen that way. And none of my negotiations either with the Egyptians or the Syrians or the Saudis has it happened this way. So leaving aside my own particular oath, the Middle East is an area of mythology and tales spread around the area. I'm always astonished.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1930.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou say something to one Arab and it spreads even into Arab countries that are hostile. And you don't even have to, in fact, the more offhand you say it, the more likely is it to spread.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e You know all of this. So it's a question of style.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1954.0,1978.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs much, we have to decide the style or find a style for dealing with this, because one of the roles of a mediator has to be to make clear where epic poetry ends and reality begins. I can't give you a very clear-cut answer. We have had very interesting conversations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=1978.0,2007.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd everybody has told us what they want. At some point they have to be moved from here to there. And somebody has to give some indication of how all this intellectually interesting material is going to be assimilated into some sort of a program. And it's at this point that a great deal depends on the confidence that has developed between the parties.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2007.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd it's too early to tell whether that will be possible. I think you can't tell from what's gone on now, up to now.\n\u003e\u003e You would concur that without it.\n\u003e\u003e Without it, it's hopeless.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nsay that the rest of the countries should voice their concern. But I have been reproached within this group.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2040.0,2080.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat I didn't indicate what else countries could do without provoking the reproach of either [INAUDIBLE] in other people's countries.\n\u003e\u003e Good, [INAUDIBLE] I find it amazing, that it should be considered an appropriate instrument of foreign policy to make abstract declarations about human rights. 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But if it occurs at a time, in Italy it's already very late because if the communists become part of every decision and if everything goes in the direction of common programs and common rule then the democratic process will really stop.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2173.0,2204.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause there'll be no alternative, and the communists will become part of the political landscape, and will become ineradicable from the political process. Now, in my view it is in the interests of the communists for two or three or maybe even five years to behave with great restraint. 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For why it is good for the communists to be in the government of Italy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2238.0,2255.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd indeed, it was Harvard professors who promoted the opening to the left, interfering incidentally actively in Italian politics. Yet, the opening to the left created precisely the condition, that we now find that it destroyed the social democrats, it destroyed the liberals, it polarized Italian politics between the Christian democrats and the communists.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2255.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo that there was no longer any democratic alternative to the Christian democrats and produced exactly the opposite effect from that which every person told you. And the trouble is that in foreign policy you pay your price in ten years and then the people who made the decisions are no longer around.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2280.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd you can't even trace the origin anymore. I unfortunately have to go to a swearing in of I think the only member of my entourage who's gotten a good post by the state department. So I must leave you. Did you have something that oppress to your soul that [INAUDIBLE]?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339#t=2302.0,2325.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17818/file/73339/transcript/8234/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Are you Italian?\n\u003e\u003e No, I'm-\n\u003e\u003e Ecuador, you've already had your share.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Okay, thanks very much.\n\u003e\u003e Thank you very much.\n\u003e\u003e 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