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When I agreed to talk about Vietnam, I didn't realize that Roy Burley would be in the audience who was one of the most impressive people I met there and who knows what he's talking about. While I just have a set of, at least on the situation within Vietnam, was a set of prejudices on the negotiations, I'm in slightly better shape.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=5.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow first I don't know how many of you have been in Vietnam or have had any connections with Vietnam. Let me say that, to me, Vietnam is like a [INAUDIBLE] play. You know that what you're looking at isn't true, but that does not guarantee that you know what the truth is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=37.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd [COUGH]\none of the difficulties in coming to grips with a situation there is that almost everything that is being said about Vietnam is true. But not necessarily relevant. Now, let me first talk relatively briefly about the situation within Vietnam. Because an understanding of that is, in my view, essential to an understanding of where we stand in the negotiations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=57.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd then, let me say something about the negotiations. And that's the best way to discuss the situation within South Vietnam, is to begin with Westmoreland's visit to Washington last November, when he announced that we were winning, that by the end of 1968 troops could be withdrawn. And this was followed by an announcement by President Johnson that some 67% of the population was now under government control.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=92.0,125.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that we were making great progress in pacification. Now it'd be comforting to assume that they were all lying. It would be comforting because that would presuppose that they knew what the truth was. And that they were putting on the best possible face on a complicated situation. But while there are many things to be said about Vietnam, and while I don't want to go into detail about the situation within the country, [COUGH] I believe a number of propositions are perhaps worth making.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=125.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n[COUGH] One is that [COUGH] we were fighting a military war. The North Vietnamese were fighting a political war. To us, the goal of the war was victory. To the North Vietnamese, the goal of the war was the psychological exhaustion of the United States. And this is why all our claims could always be true, and still not be fully meaningful.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=166.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat is, we were winning all the battles, insofar as traditional military criteria have any meaning. But the victories were not related to the actual situation on which a political settlement would eventually depend. The American military strategy was to defeat the enemy main forces. On the theory that, as the main forces were defeated, we would be able to take care of the guerillas eventually.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=200.0,238.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Vietnamese strategy was to use the main forces the way a bullfighter uses his rag, to keep us lunging in areas that were not strategically decisive. And many of our battle reports were not dissimilar to what a bull would report in the middle of a bullfight could he make reports.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=238.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e He's also always advancing. The key to the situation was that if you looked at the statistics of who initiated actions, something that was not done until fairly late in the game, it became apparent that, I don't want to give the figures, that a significant percentage of the military actions were initiated by the North Vietnamese.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=261.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs long as that was true, the strategy which we thought we were following, of attrition, could not be decisive. Because the North Vietnamese always had it within their power to reduce those military operations, which they were initiating. And therefore to could control their casualties. Conversely, as long as a very significant percentage of their casualties was caused in actions that they initiated, we should've asked ourselves, but didn't, whether a strategy of attrition could possibly be meaningful.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=293.0,335.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe third problem in connection with the military strategy was, again, that following traditional military maxims, we were very much concentrated on control of territory. And therefore, we were intending to protect the access into the country. And this accounted for the deployment of our troops along the demilitarized zone and along the Cambodian low ocean frontier.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=335.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWith a result that about 85% of the American forces were in territory that had about 5% of the population. And indeed, if one looks at North Vietnamese actions prior to the Tet offensive, finds a whole series of actions along the frontiers, each of which they lost by our criteria.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=360.0,384.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut each of which drew American military forces from the coasts into the frontiers. The significance of the coast being that the populated areas in Vietnam are a coastal belt, north of Saigon and the Mekong Delta. I think about 95% of the population lives in about 60% of the territory.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=384.0,409.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIs that about right, Roy?\n\u003e\u003e Probably less than that.\n\u003e\u003e Probably less than that. Now, so much for the military problem. Secondly, the political problem within South Vietnam. [COUGH] One of the troubles with our political program in South Vietnam was that it represented in part the application of an American philosophy to situations where the historical preconditions did not fit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=409.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn the American experience domestically, and in the American experience abroad during the Marshall Plan, we solved the problem of political stability by bridging the gap between expectations and reality. And therefore, to the extent that you could raise the standard of living, you permit an already existing stable political structure to reassert itself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=451.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn Vietnam this was not the case. There did not exist a political structure. To the extent that there existed a political structure, it was undermined by our development programs and created new political problems. While I am not opposed to our development programs, all I'm saying is there was no automatic correlation, and nor is there in most underdeveloped countries, between economic development and political stability.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=480.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd while the sophisticated Americans there in the development programs understood this better than I do, this was not necessarily understood in or by the the people who had short-term programs to meet. Moreover, with respect to the population, the key issue was not a low level of economic activity, in my judgement, but a physical insecurity.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=509.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd one of the issues, one of the problems we had and we have had consistently in Vietnam, is that we have tried to apply Western administrative standards and Washington bureaucratic criteria to a situation which does not really lend itself to that. To us, government radiates from a center into the provinces according to clear chains of command.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=537.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe first experience I had in Vietnam was to find out that a very brilliant briefing that one of the minister's gave me did not correlate with anything whatever that I found in the provinces. I couldn't find a single man who reported to that minister, even though he gave me a brilliant briefing with all kind of statistics.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=569.0,586.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd had I left after what I'd heard in Saigon, I would have made very favorable reports. Now, I'm not blaming that minister. Nor do I really think this is so significant. Except if you identify progress with this sort of an administrative structure, and if you then put all your resources, or a lot of your resources, into getting this kind of administrator structure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=586.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut what is significant is that the problem for many of the villagers was actually cruder than we thought it was. It was a problem of physical security. On most of the maps which one saw on American newspapers, and some of the maps one saw in American offices, listed three types of areas, government controlled areas, contested areas and Viet Cong controlled areas.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=609.0,636.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFollowing the Aristotelian logic of the excluded middle, something is one or the other. The fact of the matter is that there are very few areas which you can say are unambiguously government controlled, and very few areas that are unambiguously Viet Cong controlled. We had a tendency to show as pacified, on our situation maps, any area in which there were some governmental cadres operating.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=636.0,662.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTo the average villager, the significance was not the presence of the cadres during the daytime but their absence during at night. And if heavily armed cadres of 50 men were not willing to stay in the area at night, this indicated certain conclusions. And one conclusion to which it led was that in the Vietnamese effort to survive, which is a powerful incentive, in the Vietnamese effort to survive, a series of passing accommodations developed between the Communists and the villagers.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=662.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd between the Communists and the local administration, for which no official statistics made a great deal of allowance. And which no situation map could accurately reflect. And this problem meant that the United States really did not have a reliable political base in the country. And this is really the main point I want to make.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=703.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEverything I said should be said with greater subtlety and discrimination, but I want to get to the negotiations. The official statement of our national policy was that we were ready to negotiate at any time, anywhere, whenever the North Vietnamese were willing to send somebody. But for purposes of negotiation, the assets had to do with control of the population.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=741.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFor purposes of negotiation, we would've been better off with 100% control in 40% of the country than with 40% control in 100% of the country. For purposes of negotiation, it would've been more meaningful to have something that the other side had to get away from us and could get away from us only through the process of negotiation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=774.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen to have a totally amorphous situation in every part of the country. Therefore, even though we constantly announced our willingness to negotiate, and what is worse, mend it, neither our military deployment nor our pacification program was geared to the fact that a negotiation might take place at any moment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=794.0,820.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd since we had given the choice to the other side, would probably not take place at a moment of maximum convenience to the United States. Well, it is into this situation, I would've said this and indeed I said something like that in greater detail when I spoke about Vietnam to your predecessors last year.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=820.0,841.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut these observations would've been true at any time that I have had to deal with Vietnam. But it's into this situation that the Tet Offensive hit last year. Now, again, there are many things to be said about the Tet Offensive. The key thing, comment to make again is that as always in Vietnam, everything that has been said about it is true.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=841.0,877.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI spent this morning at the Naval War College. And they told me that General Westmoreland had just been there, and had told them that it's a symptom of the lack of understanding of American television that they had reported the Tet Offensive as an American defeat, where in fact it was an overwhelming American victory.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=877.0,894.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe flushed out the Viet Cong, inflicted enormous casualties on them, something we had been trying to do for years, and only managed to do last year. This is true, militarily, we inflicted enormous casualties on the Viet Cong. And if this were a military war, General Westmoreland would be absolutely correct in saying that it was a military victory.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=894.0,921.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, if one asks oneself what the Viet Cong achieved and looks at what they did, what they attacked simultaneously is some 20-odd provincial capitals and took most of them for various periods of time. They didn't hold any of them for more than 48 hours, I think, except Hue, but they were in all of them long enough to execute many people.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=921.0,958.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nUnless that they had brought with them that had in their definition cooperated with the United States. In recapturing them we tended to level a good part of each of these towns. Now the significance of this was that, while I have my doubts about the reliability of what was shown on our maps as pacified, if there was any pacified area in Vietnam, it was the provincial capital.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=958.0,992.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf a Vietnamese wanted to go anywhere, with reasonable assurance of having some chance of protection against the Viet Cong. If he would do it anyway it would be either to go to Saigon or to a provincial capital. The Viet Cong capacity to take these capitals and to punish their enemies meant that in the contest between two sets of expectations that were going on, the Viet Cong at least for that period scored a significant victory.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=992.0,1024.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe expectations were these. The United States had generally maintained that wherever it went it would stay and that whoever cooperated with us would be protected. The Viet Cong had generally said we do not guarantee to stay anywhere. Nor do we ask you not to cooperate with the Americans.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1024.0,1042.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAll we ask you to do is to do the minimum necessary in cooperating with the Americans, but wherever we leave we will come back at some point and we will know what you did and we will have the capacity to make reprises. Now this is a crude way of putting it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1042.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey didn't put it quite in these words but that was in essence their message. In the contest between these two sets of expectations, the Tet Offensive was known as a victory for the Viet Cong. They don't have to be able to launch another Tet Offensive for a measurable time, because they have demonstrated that they can do it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1056.0,1077.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd how many people are going to test their ability to repeat it? And if you compound this by what I consider a Vietnamese trade, which I would define as follows In Vietnam, contrary to what some of the local people think, a government is not strong because it is popular.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1077.0,1097.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt is popular because it is strong. In Vietnam, you cannot deduce the legitimacy of a government from the degree of popular support it has. It has popular support because it has shown the ability to govern. This means that many of the criticisms when he is around here about the unrepresentative major of the Vietnamese government is essentially irrelevant.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1097.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut it also means that once a government has demonstrated weakness, this mere fact produces massive difficulties for it. One example of this proposition incidentally is during the rise in 1966 it was the Buddhist could get thousands of people in the streets for a period of weeks. Then against our advice, the key government moved a battalion against the pagodas in Da Nang.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1125.0,1152.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSucceeded, and since then, the Buddhists have had the most enormous difficulty getting massive demonstrations started. This doesn't mean that the Saigon government wasn't any stronger after it had used the battalion than before, inherently. No but at anymore light. It was simply that it had shown in relation to the Buddhist a superior strength and this man that the Vietnamese who in 1,000 years of foreign rule has specialized in understanding the new answers of strength.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1152.0,1183.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nDrew at least the conclusion that in that particular contest, one did not lie enough where Buddhist. And one of the lessons of the Tet Offensive was one less fortunate for us in disrespect. Now, but finally in my view what the most important effect of the Tet offensive was, that we had, or we will have to face the fact that we've run out of time in Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1183.0,1213.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe've run out of time not in the sense that we're bound to lose, as I'll explain. But we've run out of time in the since that it is now impossible to win according to any of the concepts that we had before, or any other concepts of guerrilla warfare.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1213.0,1228.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEven that are familiar. Even if we do everything right from now on. I do not believe that the American political process would stand for the amount of time that it is necessary to carry it out. Now this doesn't mean that I'm in favor of unilateral control, and I will go into my position of the negotiations in a minute.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1228.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI simply want to say that Clinical analysis of the situation must start with this fact. That you can develop the most beautiful anti-angular warfare strategy now. It will not be able to change the fact that we wasted three years. The three years that we were there prevented defeat.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1251.0,1273.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut they did not make any measurable progress towards victory. And, as had said, the essence of the guerilla war is that the foreign army, if it does not win it loses, while the guerilla army wins if it does not lose. And that creates an enormous psychological imbalance. All that Hanoi has to do is to keep itself from losing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1273.0,1300.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd eventually, it can hope that since it is in its own country, it will win. We on the other hand, know that, will have to learn, or will learn, that if we do not win, eventually we will have there would be an outcome which is not very favorable.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1300.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBackground and it brought matters to by asking for 200,000 troops, additional troops in an election year. So even if Washington didn't agree with my analysis of the problem as it never has. It could not ignore the fact that the Westmoreland request gave them an impossible choice. If they gave him any less than 200,000 and he continued to lose they would be blamed for it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1320.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf they didn't give him anything, they'd also be blamed for it and they had no intention of calling up forward reserve division in an election year so the unpolitical approach of our army which had first been applied in Vietnam was then applied to Washington and removed whatever hesitations might have existed in Washington about the significance of the Tet Offensive.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1353.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen, this produced the president speech of March 31st, and the preliminary negotiations in which we are now engaged. Now I am not impressed by the level at which our domestic debate with respect to these negotiations has been conducted and I have, I feel that many of the phrases like, we must take a chance towards peace are almost totally meaningless unless somebody tells me what the chance is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1382.0,1419.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd what risks he's running, he isn't saying. He's striking a pose, not making a meaningful contribution. But let me say where I think the negotiations stand and what, from my point of view, some of the issues are. First, the negotiations didn't start in April. [INAUDIBLE] Negotiations have been going on for a long time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1419.0,1442.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn fact, negotiations have been going on even before American troops were sent to Vietnam. They were not all direct negotiations. Some of the negotiations were by means of public and radio announcements on the part of the various contestants. Hanoi has four points. The Inner Left has five points.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1442.0,1471.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe United States, having a larger bureaucracy, has 14 points. Saigon, I think, has seven points. And there is actually a reasonable amount of agreement on a number of propositions. There is an agreement, for example, that self-determination should be the basis of a settlement. There is agreement that the Geneva Accord should define the international status of South Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1471.0,1507.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere's agreement that the question of unification should be left with the Vietnamese people. And there is agreement that the United States troops be ultimately withdrawn. There is a disagreement about the status of the Hanoi forces. Indeed, there's a disagreement about the existence of Hanoi forces in South Vietnam, not so much the status of the Hanoi forces.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1507.0,1532.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere's a disagreement about the role of the NLF. Hanoi denies that it has forces in the south. Saigon denies that the NLF exists. There is a disagreement about the sort of supervision that should be exercised over any existing or successor government in Saigon. And of course, there is a complete disagreement about what the agreements mean.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1532.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe agreements are on a set of exact propositions, each of which would have to be negotiated in great detail. In addition to these negotiations by public pronouncements, there have been, of course, secret negotiations, which have been described in many articles and books, more or less correctly. And [COUGH] that finally culminated in the recent formal negotiations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1561.0,1601.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I wouldn't be surprise if these formal negotiations did not exhaust the range of contacts that are going on. But I don't want to go into the various negotiations. I want to make a few general propositions of what I take to be true about all of these negotiations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1601.0,1629.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFirst, everybody faces enormous problems. Both Hanoi and the United States face the problem that I've described before of the subtle way that the Vietnamese population is attuned to the realities of the power balance. If the negotiations create the impression that one side or the other is in the process of throwing in its towel, there'll be nothing left to negotiate about.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1629.0,1671.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTherefore, Hanoi explicitly, and we in our complicated bureaucratic way, have to be aware of the fact that how certain things are done is almost as important as what is being done. And this in turn means that the choreography of how one gets into negotiations, what one settles first and in what manner is almost as important as the substance.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1671.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn fact, it's inseparable from the substance. And therefore, it means that if the negotiations proceed on a normal course, they are bound to belong. The fact that there are a series of stalemates is not due to the absence of ingenuity on the American side or obstinacy on Hanoi's side.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1700.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe objective realities of the situation impose a certain delay. On the face of it, the argument of where the site of the conference should take place was absurd. Six weeks were, quote, wasted, unquote. On the other hand, a certain amount of time was required for us to get Saigon used to the idea that there would be negotiations at all.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1726.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I wouldn't be surprised if Hanoi had an analogous problem with the NLF, certainly with Peking. And whether we were arguing about comfort sites, or some other topic that would waste six weeks, was not the crucial factor. I don't think that this period could've been significantly shortened, although a different issue might've been taken.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1759.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSecondly, we have the problem that whatever one may think about the wisdom of the American involvement in Vietnam or the manner in which have carried it out, for any responsible Secretary of State and President now more is at stake than South Vietnam itself. When we are engaged with more than 500,000 troops and after having made so heavy a commitment, even if you assume that we must withdraw, the manner in which we do it is of considerable consequence for us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1785.0,1822.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt is true that there are many people around the world that criticize us for having shown bad judgement in going in there. I do not believe that you can take away the charge of bad judgement by a demonstration of incompetence. [COUGH] It is even General de Gaulle who had less international responsibilities required three or four years to disengage from Algeria.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1822.0,1856.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo that the problem of disengaging from this sort of war is not a simple matter. And de Gaulle had the advantage that he had won the military war more or less. And therefore, was in a much stronger negotiating position than we are. Hanoi, on the other hand, faces the problem that it must maneuver uneasily between Peking, Moscow and the NLF.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1856.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt does not wish to be completely dependent on Peking or on Moscow. And this we have not always understood, it does not wish to pay the price of severing its relations with Peking or straining its relations with Peking. It doesn't wish to pay this price in order to find out what we may then ask of it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1891.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAs an entrance price into negotiations because it feels it might lose its negotiating position. And finally, it may not have complete control over the NLF. It probably can keep the NLF from doing anything that it doesn't wish, especially militarily. But I am not sure it can make the NLF do everything it wishes, especially with relation to a peace settlement.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1916.0,1942.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo Hanoi must tread very wary there. And then there are many others involved, such as the Soviet Union, which has its own problems. It cannot want a complete victory for North Vietnam It could not until fairly recently because this would have demonstrated the correctness of the Chinese interpretation of international affairs.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1942.0,1965.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt could not accept the defeat for North Vietnam because this would have demonstrated that it could not protect its own ally. And therefore, being run by mediocre leaders, it did enough to keep the war going and nothing, whatever, to get the war settled. But not enough to bring about a decisive military change.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1965.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo everybody was caught in his own trap. I'm not going to run through other countries. Because I think their contribution, intellectual and otherwise, to the problem, has been relatively slight. Now then stating these complexities, [COUGH]\nthe asset. Let me sum up again, the assets of Hanoi have been the one I described.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=1985.0,2012.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat if they did not lose, they were bound to win. A degree, a continuing political infrastructure in the South. Which meant that whatever military victories we achieved, they could not survive our withdrawal so that we were not building anything permanent. And the fact, painful as it may be to admit, that they were superior plans.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2012.0,2038.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOur assets were two fold. One is that with all these advantages, Hanoi could not get us out of South Vietnam by itself. They had to negotiate us out. There was no way Hanoi can push us out of South Vietnam. This is our basic negotiating in South Vietnam. The second one which is more ambiguous because it raises enormous domestic issues but for reasons of intellectual symmetry I must state is this.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2038.0,2076.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne thing that induced the North Vietnamese to negotiate, in my view, is their knowledge that the next escalation might require such a massive degree of foreign aid that they would lose control over their own war. It is not that they were afraid that we would knock them out with the next escalation, but that they could resist the next escalation by taking a degree of Chinese and Soviet support.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2076.0,2104.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat would make Hanoi as dependent on foreign support as Saigon was. Not only in terms of equipment which they already were, but in terms of operational control. So I would think that is another asset possibility that if the war is prolonged there might be another escalation. Now then, with these complexities and assets and liabilities, where, then, are we?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2104.0,2133.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFirst, one other complexity. I guess I'll only mention complexities. One complexity has to do with negotiating styles. There are probably no two people in the world that are less meant to deal with each other than the Vietnamese and the American. In terms of national style, bureaucracy, values, history, it would be hard to imagine a greater cultural gap than that that exists between the Vietnamese and the United States.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2133.0,2165.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Vietnamese, North and South, are morbidly suspicious. They have survived under foreign rule for thousands of years. They have not survived under foreign rule for a thousand years by telling foreigners what they really thought.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e They are greatly attuned to the facts of power, but not necessarily to the rational, legalistic, bureaucratic representation of the facts of power.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2165.0,2204.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Vietnamese, North and South, have an almost morbid fear of being made to look ridiculous. And I sometimes suspect that if we accept that the North Vietnamese package at the next Wednesday meeting With Hanoi. They would still spend three months trying to figure out where the angle was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2204.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause the idea that you might make a straightforward proposition, which didn't have an angle, is inconceivable to them. Moreover, the North Vietnamese, while they look impressive to us, and are impressive as a military power, know better than we do how marginal their strength is in relation to ours.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2222.0,2249.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd they have operated vis-a-vis ours by superior planning and superior intelligence with relation to the problem we were facing. Therefore, they are meticulous planners in everything they do, and in especially in contact with the United States. If you watch the negotiations, when the document of negotiations ever become public.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2249.0,2273.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt will become apparent that first of all they were heading for negotiations, in my view in '68, in any event with or without [INAUDIBLE]. Secondly, their method of getting there was always to send out a reconnaissance to find out what the American reaction would be. Then **** what the American reaction was likely to be to a certain proposition, and then to make that proposition formally.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2273.0,2301.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOver a period of years, this is what most of the secret negotiations have been about. And this is exactly what the American governmental process is almost incapable of handling. For two reasons, I hold the view which. But I hold the view anyway, whether it's correct or not. I think it is correct.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2301.0,2323.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat there are always two groups in Washington that are opposed to developing and negotiating possession. Those who are opposed to negotiations. And those who are in favor of negotiations. With the result that we never have a negotiation procession. Those who are opposed to negotiation tend to equate the fact of negotiations with surrender and a negotiating position with giving away something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2323.0,2353.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, they either oppose having a negotiating position at all. Or they consider the development of a negotiating position the equivalent to writing surrender terms. Those who are in favor of negotiations are opposed to it precisely because they are afraid that in a bureaucratic contest, they will lose to the Hawks.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2353.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause the President is not likely to spend his prestige on a theoretical argument, with respect to negotiating position, when no negotiation is in the offer. And therefore, those who are in favor of negotiations are correct in their assessment of the bureaucratic lay of the land. But secondly, They tend to oppose a negotiating position because they have enormous faith in the negotiating process and they want to keep their hands free for the process of negotiation which they intend to carry out themselves and they don't want to be bound by a negotiating position.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2379.0,2414.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne of the results of this incidentally is that a, no matter what you read in the newspapers there's almost never an American negotiating position no matter how much we affirm our desire to negotiate an issue. This does not mean that we know what we're gonna do when we get in the conference room.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2414.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe State Department people here can contradict me and probably will out of loyalty.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Secondly, once a negotiation occurs, the American negotiator in practice tends to become an ally within our governmental process, he tends to become an ally of the opposing side. The reason for that is as follows I believe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2431.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would say as a sociological axiom that you can not put an American in charge of something without his wanting to succeed. I suspect that if George Wallace were made head of the disarmament agency, he'd be a wild disarmer within two years. Maybe not George Wallace, but almost everyone else.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2461.0,2477.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e The only way you can succeed is to go over the list of proposals that the other side makes and see what you can responsibly concede. And therefore, I'm not surprised if at every deadlock that arises, the American negotiators, tend to try to discover what's sensibly the other point of view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2477.0,2503.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis is something to keep in mind, because when we discuss the composition of the circumference, this is important to remember. But not having a negotiating position, Combined with a legalistic approach to a policy meant that it was almost impossible for us to understand what Hanoi was up to in the preliminaries to the preliminary negotiation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2503.0,2534.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFor example, President Johnson at a press conference last November said sure we're in touch with Hanoi and they sometimes communicate with us, and sometimes they even change a word in their communication. For example, sometimes they change the word can to could, and will to would, but that doesn't mean anything, it has no legal course Well, he had the sequence wrong, for one thing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2534.0,2560.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe sequence went the other way around. It went from the conditional to the future, rather than from the future to the conditional. But secondly, the interesting question was why would a government that prides itself on its planning communicate to us and change phrases that have become ritualistic if only in a grammatical clause, unless they meant to say something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2560.0,2587.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell to that the American answer has been they're trying to trick us. [COUGH] And thereby we reach finally, some of the substantive issues and I will reserve my comment on the meaning of trickery in international affairs. As we now finally talk about the substantive positions. Now ever since these preliminary negotiations have started.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2587.0,2616.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey've been hung up on the issue of the end of bombing. The United States' position has been expressed in the so-called San Antonio formula, which says that the United States is willing to stop bombing. It's curious but the United States is prepared to stop bombing unconditionally provided this leads [LAUGH] To prompt and productive negotiations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2616.0,2650.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt is assumed moreover, that Hanoi will not take advantage of this cessation of bombing. Well,\n\u003e\u003e [COUGH]\n\u003e\u003e This San Antonio formula did not lead to an immediate resolution of the disputes because to a mobitly suspicious people, they couldn't guarantee us productive negotiation. Even if they had wanted to, since it takes too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2650.0,2678.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey could promise us prompt, but not productive negotiations. And take advantage was sufficiently ambiguous, to lead to years of back and forth on that particular issue. But, [COUGH] This is now partly water over the dam because we have since specified what we mean by not take advantage. Secretary listed a whole catalog of things on issues and answers last week.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2678.0,2712.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd the problem has been has been, [COUGH] How one can reconcile really the two modes of communication. Because we're really partly hung up again on the problem that we faced in the preliminaries to the preliminaries which is, what is it that we really want Hanoi to say and to do?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2712.0,2737.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n[COUGH] Our tendency is when Hanoi communication arrives, to get legal opinion about it's obligatory nature. Now we've had enormous difficulty understanding what it is that Hanoi is trying to say to us. And Hanoi has had great difficulty understanding what we are about. First the difficulty of Hanoi. [COUGH] I am not known around here for excessive understanding of the communist point of view in these matters but with respect to the bombing issue they do have a problem.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2737.0,2786.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf they express what they will do if weren't the anti-bombing in the form of a legal document then they are in effect, legitimizing the bombing. They are saying, that there are some conditions which would justify our bombing. And therefore, they would both retroactively justify our bombing and they would also, if we could catch them in a violation, in effect allow us to start bombing them again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2786.0,2819.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow to them, the fact that our bombing is illegal in the eyes of what they consider world opinion, is an enormous asset. The fact that they can mobilize demonstrations against is on the issue of bombing Is a political and psychological aspect that which they are not gonna give up.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2819.0,2837.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, their failure to sign a legal document does not necessarily mean that they don't want to do these things, it's that they do not want to do them in a manner which destroys other options which they have. And this end gets us to the problem what is an international commitment?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2837.0,2861.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd what is tricky in international affair? The American convention is that international commitment has to be expressed in a legally binding form. And therefore we want Some unambiguous statement of the reciprocal action that Hanoi would take. Now Hanoi has great difficulty doing that for reasons that I've already described.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2861.0,2890.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I also wonder why we need it. If Hanoi violates an understanding, we will not be able to take them to court. The sanction for Hanoi's taking advantage is what we will do to them if they violate the agreement. In other words, the sanction is what we can do unilaterally.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2890.0,2921.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFrom that point of view it is more important that Hanoi understands what we will not tolerate, then that it agrees to a formal document. Of course, we should be fairly clear that they understand what we will not tolerate, and that that is not totally repulsive to them. But I don't think it is crucial that they express that in a legally binding form.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2921.0,2948.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTo put it another way, there are really two characters that are morbidly afraid of being tricked. One is the North Vietnamese, but the other one is LBJ, whose psychological complexities are not to be minimized. Then the problem though is, what could Hanoi do to trick us? I don't doubt for a minute that Hanoi is morally capable of tricking us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2948.0,2982.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhat I have difficulty seeing, and I have no doubt whatever that at whatever stage of negotiations they are going to try to win the political game in South Vietnam. And if they can undercut our political base in South Vietnam, they will do that with the greatest vigor and energy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=2982.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut that unfortunately can be done through actions other than purely military ones. But on the purely military level, I have great difficulty seeing what precisely they could do to us that would be worth it. The worst thing they could do from their point of view is to inflict the DMB and sue on us after the bombing halt.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3000.0,3022.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey cannot possibly push us into the scene no matter what they do even if we stop bombing for three years. The worst they can do to us is to trap a significant segment of the American force and conceivably annihilate it. But I think this would really mean their end as a functioning society.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3022.0,3043.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf they did that, I don't believe any of the restrictions on bombing that have ever been observed would still hold. And I believe we would then level Hanoi, Haiphong, the Dikes, whatever anybody has ever suggested. So, I do not really see why it's of their interest to take that sort of military advantage of a bombing halt.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3043.0,3067.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, for us, the question really is, whether we want to stop bombing? And whether we are sufficiently clear that they understand what we won't tolerate much more than whether they, Agree to a formula. And therefore I believe that we can all stop parading about the bombing halt.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3067.0,3089.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere will be a bombing halt within six months, the logic of events forces us in that direction. And if it isn't done by LBJ, it will be done by his successor the first three months of his term in office, would be my guess. There is no overpowering reason not to have one.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3089.0,3109.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut up to now, I am saying things that most of my colleagues will probably like. But from now on, probably I'm saying things that they won't like so much. Namely I do not believe that the end of bombing is going to do anything except buy us an admissions price to the next stalemate.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3109.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI do not believe that, because we haven't even begun to deal with any of the important substantive issues. Let me just list a few. The first issue we will confront after that is, who is gonna participate in the substantive negotiation? Saigon refuses to talk to the NLF, Hanoi refuses to talk to Saigon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3133.0,3164.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe are committed not to talk substance without Saigon. And therefore if you look at the situation from a president's point of view you do not see an overwhelming incentive to go from a stalemate on bombing. Where at least he can still talk about saving American lives, to a stalemate on the participation of Saigon in the conference, where the pressures would be, after a little while, will be very much greater.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3164.0,3194.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, we have taken the view that Saigon must be in the next round of negotiations, and so has Saigon. Now, I happen to believe that that is gonna be disastrous, and not because I'm opposed to Saigon's participation in the conference. But because the only way that stalemate it's going to be resolved after two or three months of the sort of thing that's been going on, is that on a US side, our side formula that is, we bring Saigon, and Hanoi brings the NLF.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3194.0,3231.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen after Hanoi has brought the NLF, Hanoi may leave the room incidentally. But we don't have to face that one and we'll be stock just facing the NLF. But even assuming Hanoi does not played dirty like this, we'll be then confronted with Hanoi, NLF, and one side, Saigon, US government on the other.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3231.0,3253.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd this will create a situation in which there is one party in the room with a demonstrated record of not understanding the domestic situation of South Vietnam. And with an agenda which cannot exclude the domestic situation of South Vietnam. And that party that doesn't understand the domestic situation of South Vietnam is the United States.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3253.0,3271.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn this I think our record is pretty good, I don't know whether will agree with it. Therefore, the subject which in my view we should avoid at almost any price to discuss, namely the internal political structure of South Vietnam, cannot be excluded from a four sided negotiation. And moreover, I would predict in that four sided negotiation the American negotiator, he won't side with Hanoi and the NLF totally, but his tendency will be to try to bring Saigon along in this sensible direction.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3271.0,3310.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd if that is going to be his tendency, I suspect that Saigon may not be able to stand this, and may collapse in the process. At any rate that's one of the dangers I see. At any rate once this happens the subjects are going to get terribly complex and they're complex enough as it is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3310.0,3329.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAgain, it is part of the folklore here that a end of bombing is to be followed by a ceasefire, and that then things will be very simple. The word ceasefire drips easily from the editorial page of the New York Times. Well, I don't really know in practice what ceasefire means in South Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3329.0,3351.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHow you would police it? How you would arrange it? Who would be permitted to do what under what circumstances? Indeed I would say the definition of the ceasefire is really the definition of the political settlement, and it is not at all an easy problem. If Saigon can move anywhere in which is day at night, then you have accomplish through the cease fire is something that's not been the case for 25 years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3351.0,3385.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf there are to be reserved areas, some for the government, some for the Viet Cong, then you are, A, going to start a tremendous strangle of establishing unambiguous control in some area. And therefore, you're gonna intensify the war for the period just before the demarcation lines are drawn.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3385.0,3405.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd secondly we're gonna create an entirely new political reality. Currently, no ceasefire is gonna be able to prohibit murders and assassinations, which happen to be one of the chief weapons of the Viet Cong. Which is none of this is to say that I'm against a ceasefire, only to indicate that a ceasefire is not easy to separate in Vietnam from the political settlement itself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3405.0,3434.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIncidentally I believe the problem of ceasefire is more easily approached through tacit mutual de-escalation than it is through formal agreement. Then, if you get this four-sided negotiation, we will finally reach this problem of the coalition government, which Senator McCarthy, for example, has made one of the tests of a wise American position.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3434.0,3459.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow again, at the very kindest, the thing to say about a coalition government is that it reflects the peculiar American mentality that you get a government that gives an order into the countryside, that order is unquestioning and is more or less accepted. You get lines of command and so forth.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3459.0,3478.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell, since the Saigon government, without a coalition, has managed to achieve this happy state, I do not see why it should be possible for a coalition government to achieve this happy state. Secondly I have not heard American suggest that the way to solve the problems of Mississippi, is to get a coalition government that reads snake and the Ku Klux Klan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3478.0,3502.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I'm not sure that the distrust between those two groups is any greater. It is probably less. Thirdly, trust operationally. What does one mean by coalition government? If I think Viet Cong ministers would be insane to go into Saigon unescorted. If, however, you begin introducing Viet Cong military force into Saigon, if only to protect their own ministers, which I think would be a very prudent thing to do for the Viet Cong, you have changed the whole political complexion of Saigon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3502.0,3542.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn other words, I I do not see how a coalition government can be established in Vietnam, short of breaking the back of the army, in which case you don't need a coalition government anymore and it just becomes a face saving formula for pulling out. Now for all these reasons, I believe that when substantive negotiations begin, we will face major, major problems.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3542.0,3577.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow after having made this long analysis of the difficulties, you will probably ask me what is my solution. And I will disappoint you, I don't, it's easier to diagnose a broken leg than to solve it and I do not have a brilliant answer to the problem. Let me state however, I don't even have an unbrilliant answer to the problem but let me give you some general directions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3577.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat general directions that might come run. If we approach the problem of negotiations in the good old American style of going one issue at a time, we are gonna be in for a long ride. First of all, what will happen domestically is that we don't have a very clear position, we will have to improvise the oppositions step by step.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3623.0,3650.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHanoi in turn, since it does not know where the thing is going, is going to make absolutely sure that it has squeeze the last possible advantage out of every issue even if we made a proposal to them that they like. I think they would stall and delay this even that there isn't a little more give.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3650.0,3668.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nGod, South Vietnamese do this when they negotiate with you. Why shouldn't North Vietnamese, apart from their being communist. Since I believe that one of the problems that we face in relations with Hanoi is that they profoundly distrust us, and secondly, that they seriously don't know where we are going.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3668.0,3696.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis is a procedure which is bound to maximize complexity. Also, I believe that on this procedure, the possibility that Saigon would collapse somewhere along the route is very great indeed. Therefore, I hold the view which is not widely shared, that the only way one can even conceive of a relatively rapid settlement, relatively rapid still means anywhere from nine months to a year, it doesn't mean a three week solution, is to put to Hanoi a fairly global package in a devious way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3696.0,3743.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNot by making it public in Hanoi but pitting it to them in a complicated, through complicated channel so that they can examine it before they have to commit themselves to it. And to let them take care about it, before it becomes an official target. But one which addresses their chief concern.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3743.0,3765.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTheir chief concern incidentally does not happen to be coalition government. That's one they trot out every once in a while just to stay in the ball game. Their chief concern happens to be the withdrawal of American forces. The one thing that they believe, and they're probably right, that they understand the domestic situation in South Vietnam a lot better than we do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3765.0,3793.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore they don't have to be given by us a political structure in South Vietnam. What they cannot get by themselves is the withdrawal of American forces. This is our big negotiating asset. And therefore, I believe, that the way, if we wanna make rapid progress, rapid in the terms that I have described, not spectacularly rapid, the chief item of negotiation has to be the mutual withdrawal of foreign forces over a reasonable period of time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3793.0,3829.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8119/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIndeed, I believe they would give us a reasonable period of time if they understood that, that is what we were doing. But in order to do this we have, in my judgment, to separate the issue of the internal structure of South Vietnam from the negotiations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=3829.0,3855.67347"}]},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["ms_1981_s07_b0919_0001_caption.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thought I would talk about\nVietnam 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was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=22.42,29.16"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a set of prejudices on the negotiations,\nI'm in slightly better shape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=29.16,34.74"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now first I don't know how many\nof you have been in Vietnam or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=37.66,43.38"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have had any connections with Vietnam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160#t=43.38,46.15"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73160/transcript/8120/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me say that, to me,\nVietnam is like a [INAUDIBLE] 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So, I have had the view which has, let me say, no support anywhere, that it would be in our interest to have various levels of negotiation. A level where we and Hanoi talk about neutral withdrawals over a staged period. In which would give us a chance to avoid the two big problems we have.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne is the American political process will not tolerate a continuation of the war at its present scale for the next electoral period. And that is something that seems to me clear. Secondly, we cannot accept a military defeat for purpose of general political [INAUDIBLE]. Certainly, we cannot commit ourselves to keeping a government in Saigon in power against the vicious of the South Vietnamese population for all eternity.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=25.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI'm not saying this present government is there against their wishes, but we cannot be in a posture where we have to guarantee a government in Saigon against the wishes of the population. Therefore, our concern ought to be to get foreign troops out of South Vietnam and to let a political process develop there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=59.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, I would suffer no enormous pain if that political process did not meet the latest standards of Western pluralistic democracy. And I feel that if we are there and start negotiating it, we are going to go through this whole exercise of free election for the umpteenth time. And therefore, I would believe that the thing we have to negotiate with Hanoi that we do understand is a mutual withdrawal over a reasonable period of time, and that period of time can be geared to a reasonable political process on the side.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=79.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTo let Saigon and the NLF settle their problem Either through a negotiation or through whatever means they manage to devise. My guess would be, on this formula, there might not be Saigon NLF negotiations on the national level. But there might be formally what is already existing tacitly, arrangements between Saigon and the NLF on the provincial Level which would gradually be absorbed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=110.0,140.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThirdly, may be an international conference, which works out guarantees for the other two sets of negotiations. This sort of three tiered approach offers to me the only possibility for a relatively rapid And by relatively rapid, I mean compared to the other road where we go step by step, ceasefire, first composition of the conference, agenda ceasefire composition of the government, internal status, international status, and whatever the checklist is that people have of what a global settle Of South Vietnam looks like if you arrive at it by normal negotiating procedures.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=140.0,185.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow I am, having said all these things, I'm actually not too pessimistic about the negotiations. I think for Hanoi, the big decision was to enter the negotiation. For that they paid an enormous price with Peking, and I don't believe they would have ended the negotiations unless they meant to conclude them, to be sure to conclude them in a way favorable to them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=185.0,208.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut at least to get the maximum advantage out of it, They have certainly stuck with the negotiations in Paris on the conditions in which there has been no spectacular advance, on either side, for many months. And I think that the tendency is to get Is to get a settlement.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=208.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhether this adminstration can do it. Whether new administration will have to do it. This depends on the idiosyncracies at this moment of the few key individuals. I think Hanoi may well decide that it is better off having a new president make the settlement and being able to To deliver it then to have a lame duck president make it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=234.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I can construct an argument for the other side too. What they may decide that they will see how it happens. But even if the approach that I have outlined becomes the dominant one, It still would mean a process of anywhere from six months to a year. I think if there is a involved before the end of the administration which is not at all impossible then I think our tendency would be to approach The subsequent negotiations, step by step, and this would guarantee that we would not be very far along the road by the time the administration changes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=261.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, the only question is whether the keeper really, I would suspect By January 20th, we'll either be stalemated on the bombing issue. Or we'll be stalemated on the participation issue. But I don't expect a settlement by January 20th. It's very foolish to make short term prediction that can be overtaken by.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=311.0,333.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell, I've spoken much too long. Let me stop now and answer questions. Stanley?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\none is that [INAUDIBLE]\nwere not here anywhere if we don't have [INAUDIBLE].\nAnd also on the three year The three tier factum [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Who suggested that?\n\u003e\u003e Three tier is simply the decision.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=333.0,362.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nHowever I do get what you had said yourself about the psychological complexity [INAUDIBLE] negotiator. I find it difficult to believe that they'll be sentenced by risk an agreement of [INAUDIBLE],\nand we don't ask why. Given their own of this. I believe that won't accept, even for a. The consideration of what they have been Is a good government site, you know?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=362.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEspecially if the relative ways of noticing these forces, and that are such that once you know it, and these forces are growing, it doesn't become quite so clear, other than the acondites settled. It could overcome. [INAUDIBLE]\nEven though I agree entirely [INAUDIBLE]\nabout the coalition government [INAUDIBLE]\nI find it difficult to believe that they will not want to have some kind of serious [INAUDIBLE]\n[INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=397.0,466.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Let me first make my view clear about coalition government, if it emerges. I don't want to have the United States in the business of imposing a coalition government. On the other hand, if A coalition government emerged through some other process. I don't see any American interest in preventing it as long as it isn't just a subterfuge, For American pressure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=466.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMy impression, let me say this. I think that, say, up to about a year ago, I would be reasonably confident that what I described, in some modified form, had a chance of being accepted by the North Vietnamese. Because the balance of forces in South Vietnam was not such that you would assume that with a mutual withdrawal, the Saigon government was bound to win.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=498.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, the fact that the United States would no longer be there as a prop, Might well have changed the complexion of the Saigon government and the direction of people who would broaden its base. Now, it is probably true that one result of the Tet Offensive was that the proportion of the Hanoi forces to NLF forces has changed in favor Of Hanoi forces.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=531.0,557.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo that that particular proposition requires a modification. And, I think therefore that I think you are right that on the issue of internal structure of South Vietnam, there will have to be some understandings. I don't happen to believe, I think what the NLF needs is primarily is protection against suffering the fate of the Indonesian communists.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=557.0,598.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat is, That is the chief thing they require. Free elections, in my view, don't mean much, or at least, if one has to understand that whoever controls the electoral machinery will win the election. And therefore, if one uses, I'd be much more agreeable. I would think it would make much more sense to have a tacit understanding that the NLF would win 35% of the seats at the first election, or something like that, which is not hard to arrange.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=598.0,638.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen it is, then the composition of the government itself. At any rate, I would strongly encourage a political process in the provinces. There is in many provinces already a tacit accommodation. Don't you believe, don't you think, Roy? So that the area where it hasn't occurred, throughout the delta today, there is a tacit accommodation between the NLF and the government.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=638.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere are no significant American forces in the delta. And therefore, what I have described already exists in the delta. And apparently, the government is not able to win the war in the delta by itself. The Viet Cong have never attempted to go in there with massive main forces.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=671.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we have never gone in with massive forces. That would've made more sense from our point of view.\n\u003e\u003e Sir, when you talk about setting up [INAUDIBLE] forces of Vietnam and the conditions of [INAUDIBLE], what happens to the South Vietnamese army? What does it do? [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well, For one thing, I don't believe the stories that the South Vietnamese army has become so efficient.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=694.0,733.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRoy, what do you think of that? I may be wrong on the-\n\u003e\u003e I don't know. I really don't. I think they're better, but-\n\u003e\u003e I think they're better, but, see I just don't think that the balance of forces is such that the South Vietnamese army, if the balance of forces were such that the South Vietnamese army could win.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=733.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf all foreign troops were withdrawn, then I would think that what you say is absolutely right. But as it is now, the South Vietnamese army, as long as I've looked at the problem, has never fought the North Vietnamese very much. The South Vietnamese army has on the whole, when it has done anything, when it hasn't been used for internal maneuvering, it has been used to fight the guerillas.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=755.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo that if you, the American army, in turn, has about 80% fought the main forces and 20% the guerillas. So the American anti-guerilla effort would disappear, and the North Vietnamese presumably would largely disappear, or at least move partially out of the country. My guess is you'd get a balance of forces and an incentive for a direct negotiation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=780.0,813.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut to the extent that there's uncertainty about it, there would have to be some understandings between us and Hanoi. You cannot ask Hanoi to permit the anti-left to be slaughtered. And you cannot make an agreement with them, which in effect leads to the surrender of Hanoi. My worry is that if you get into a four-sided negotiation, the issues will get too complex.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=813.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd secondly, Saigon will collapse in the process.\n\u003e\u003e I think one of the central points here, and something that's been argued in Vietnam extensively, is whether the South Vietnamese government and the United States adopt what is essentially a northern strategy or a southern strategy. The emphasis that you give is essentially, I think, a continuation in one form of a northern strategy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=835.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n[CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e I don't understand what you mean by-\n\u003e\u003e You've concentrated as internal almost exclusively on the role of the North Vietnamese. The main American dependency, I think, has been to try and confound, to make the VC and the North Vietnamese the same, to deal with them as though they were one indivisible unit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=863.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd not to, I think many people working in the southern provinces argued for a long time, and continue to argue, there are possibilities of splitting the North Vietnamese from the South Vietnamese. And try and work out this South Saigon government, Viet Cong solution as the central approach and deal with the Americans and the North Vietnamese as more of a sideshow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=884.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think this revolves around this question of accommodation at the local level, which is really not a political approach because you don't have any dealings. You just have a sort of truce at some local level.\n\u003e\u003e Well, first of all, I thought what I was proposing was I had never heard the phrase, this northern and southern approach.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=913.0,936.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut, From your definition of it, I thought I was proposing the southern approach. I want to separate Hanoi and the NLF and us in Saigon. I don't want to have them lumped together. Secondly, It's true, it isn't a completely political approach. And I would think one of the things that's gonna do us in in Vietnam decisively, is our obsession with order.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=936.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOur negotiating position would improve immediately, if we could logically convince Hanoi that we don't care whether there's order in South in Vietnam, but we're gonna stay until we get reasonable terms. A, it would out causalities if we don't frantically look for them. B, we wouldn't be so impatient.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=975.0,1001.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd this incidentally means that I believe we'd have to change a lot of our military disposition, a lot of our pacification programs. But I'm not offended by the idea that, this is not a solution that has a clear outcome. In fact, I would think that the only way you can solve it, is if both sides believe they can win that sort of a confrontation, neither is guaranteed victory, but each is willing to accept a mushy situation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1001.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd now I would have to say on the basis of demonstrated performance, the betting odds would not be in favor of Saigon being able win a prolonged political contest. On the other hand, I would think that for us the immediate problem now is to create a situation in which we give them a chance to win it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1034.0,1063.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut we cannot be in the position of underwriting a government in Saigon against its own people for all eternity. We must make a settlement which is just a subterfuge for a unilateral pullout. But we also mustn't get into a position of fighting every internal fight in South Vietnam, for the next 25 years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1063.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I think the key to this thing as you speak about it, is whether we're willing really to push the South Vietnamese government to be able to handle that.\n\u003e\u003e I wouldn't push them. I'd create a situation where that's their problem. That's just what I'm trying to avoid.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1083.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf we get into that four-sided conference, that's what we are gonna do. And we're gonna break their back. We can't push the South Vietnamese anyway. That's been proved over a long period of time. And that is the business we should get out of. I would not push the South Vietnamese to deal with the NLF.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1100.0,1123.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe NLF will push them to deal with them. It's we who make it possible for them not to deal with them, in the [INAUDIBLE] they're dealing with each other. Not formally. What do you think Roy? You've been there and you know the local situation.\n\u003e\u003e Set up the stage in such a way they have [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1123.0,1143.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nGetting at it through the door of. It seems to me that has watershed the psychological way in South Vietnam. And the first time the Vietnamese could not look at the mirror and see a happy landscape. And they could do that all the way up [INAUDIBLE] in two respects.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1143.0,1159.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOne they could always look in the window and look through the window. And they never had to see the Viet Cong in terms of what they really were. Because they were a long way away from the urban Vietnamese. [INAUDIBLE] so, the world was pleasant outside. And secondly, they always had the Americans.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1159.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we play right into this of course by reinforcing this. And they didn't have to see the real thing, because we were there to protect them. But took that [INAUDIBLE] away. [INAUDIBLE] the war inside the Vietnamese. When they looked in the mirror, they saw that they might see their own death.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1174.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that's the first time they ever saw that in whole [INAUDIBLE] up to that point in time. And [INAUDIBLE] from this I think is the fact that, if the South Vietnamese really realize what this is, that [INAUDIBLE] couldn't take place. On the other hand, the are playing I think very shrewdly, and very cleverly, and what they're doing plays right into the evolution that you describe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1189.0,1216.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey set up I don't know how many liberation committees out in the countryside now, in all the villages. They've never done that before. And they're trying by this, to consolidate the political state so that in the next evolution, they'll be in a good position [INAUDIBLE]. And in terms of the [INAUDIBLE] question, it seems to me if understood [INAUDIBLE], they will [INAUDIBLE] they will never say they're dealing with this bandit government in Saigon, just the way that the Saigonese will never say they're dealing with this [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1216.0,1244.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut in an Asian [INAUDIBLE] they will.Both [INAUDIBLE] each other. And in a fuzzy subtle way, they'll have to work something out. And the Viet Cong [INAUDIBLE] this process by the time in the process [INAUDIBLE] they already have in the countryside. And the urban South Vietnamese units, they're willing by that still that they gotta do something [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1244.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBy that time, the time will be lost and they will not be in a position [INAUDIBLE] can. And it's in that fuzzy way probably [INAUDIBLE] too.\n\u003e\u003e So one thing that it is a difficult [INAUDIBLE] negotiation, that if I win an election that the North Vietnamese [INAUDIBLE] in the next government.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1264.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEven at a time when Nixon was so long not committed himself about this negotiation. But just as [INAUDIBLE] I have [INAUDIBLE] settlement with North Vietnam [INAUDIBLE] the present government. But this line didn't take so long, [INAUDIBLE]. Secondly, I think there was a lot of confusion about the [INAUDIBLE] in South Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1285.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJust now the question over [INAUDIBLE] whether the USA was pushing someone into negotiating [INAUDIBLE]. Now the main question is this, that how far the South Vietnamese people are willing to fight in the left part of [INAUDIBLE]. On the North Vietnam side you find, that they've got enormous assistance from Russia and China.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1319.0,1341.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut Russian soldiers or Chinese soldiers are not fighting side by side in North Vietnam. But as on the south Vietnam side, it is necessary for the American soldiers to fight. [INAUDIBLE] that South Vietnam can [INAUDIBLE] Viet Cong, all North Vietnam with merely American advice and assistance, instead of [INAUDIBLE] American soldiers [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1341.0,1367.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow another important thing, that suddenly the USA is not fighting a war against North Vietnam, because they haven't declared one. Then what the Americans are doing there? Well, as we understand it, the Americans have gone there for the assistance of the South Vietnamese government at their invitation. If they had not invited them, the US would not go there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1367.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen who should negotiate with whom? Secondly, the government of South Vietnam Should negotiate with North Vietnam [INAUDIBLE] Viet Cong. If south Vietnam, its government, is not willing to negotiate with anyone then I don't see how the government of the United States is negotiating with anyone. Negotiating with whom?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1391.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe understand up here, [INAUDIBLE] on whose behalf? How can the US come to a settlement with North Vietnam in respect to South Vietnam, without the South Vietnamese government being a party to it? We see this, even mentioned here that the South Vietnamese government is not willing to talk.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1415.0,1434.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the [INAUDIBLE] with the [INAUDIBLE], with the government, he's not willing to talk to South Vietnam's government. But there is the forum for any legalization, which not with [INAUDIBLE] will eventually certainly talk to the South. If they don't want to [INAUDIBLE] really no decision at all. Because the decision must be between the two governments.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1434.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, you would think this is the [INAUDIBLE] that so long the [INAUDIBLE] government [INAUDIBLE] decision [INAUDIBLE]. We have issues that [INAUDIBLE] wouldn't understand.\n\u003e\u003e Well I'm glad to [INAUDIBLE] see that other Asian have as much as trouble understanding Vietnamese conditions as Western did. So it's not a Western phenomena.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1461.0,1484.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe one thing I believe that anyone should stop doing when it talks about Vietnam is to say, it's I the OWA. I the, you do this. OWA, you do that. If they won't do this, then you must do this. That is the logician's way of looking at the [INAUDIBLE].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1484.0,1502.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt's good for making debates, but it isn't very relevant. Let me make the [INAUDIBLE]. First the American election. Can they get a better position from a new administration then from the old administration? Well that's hard to say, since the old administration has no position. And the new administration has no position.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1502.0,1519.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't think Nixon knows whether he can give them better terms. I doubt very seriously. I'm not giving you state secrets, but I would be amazed if they were in an elaborated negotiating position for the next phase in watching I don't know. But I'd be amazed at [INAUDIBLE] world record.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1519.0,1540.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt'd be the first time in my experience that we've had it. So I don't know whether they think they can get better terms. Besides, they have a really problem even if they think that they'd do better with Johnson or Humphrey than they do with Nixon. It would be hard for them to know how they can influence this political process.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1540.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAll the more, so if they have a certain turnaround time for which it takes them to analyze our proposition. So I think, while what you said about the election may be true, and while we may be forced into implying that we'll do better in the new administration. I think this will just slow things up marginally.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1565.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd [INAUDIBLE] I think this will have no real significance. Now then, when you started talking about South Vietnam, this is when my phrase about these either or propositions really applies. Are the people of South Vietnam prepared to fight? Well that's a terribly complicated question. On the one hand you can say, the North Vietnamese have shown a superior capacity to organize.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1585.0,1615.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut it is also true that whenever Vietnam has been organized, it has been from the North and the South is inherently more divided. It is true that Viet Cong couldn't operate without a degree of popular support. It is also true that the government couldn't operate without a degree of popular support.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1615.0,1634.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf the population turned unambiguously against the government, the war would be over. And therefore, the essence of the problem in Vietnam is that the population divides roughly as Roy Worley described. The rural population because of the predominance of the Viet Cong there, tends to be somewhat more on the Viet Cong side, but not enough to refuse to cooperate with the government wherever the government can establish predominant force.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1634.0,1668.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe urban population, exactly the opposite is true. And if you don't have equilio loyalty. And it happens not infrequently that families send sons into both sides to be represented. Not because they believe in both sides, but to be represented there. The Vietnamese are in Vietnam governmental legitimacy has been established through the mandate of heaven.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1668.0,1691.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhich in turn is shown by your ability to rule. It doesn't work, you don't get the mandate of heaven by being popular. It works the other way around, so I just don't think, I think your question is unanswerable. Are the Vietnamese people prepared to fight? If you let a government get established there for three years unchallenged.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1691.0,1716.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI'd think it would have a reasonable chance to put itself into a position to fight guerillas and probably even the North Vietnamese. At least, you could intellectually see how it would have a chance to do it. In the present situation it is much more amorphous and whether they are prepared to fight depends on their estimate of the outcome.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1716.0,1742.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo we are right back to where we started. What is the United States doing there? Very interesting question, quite irrelevant to the present problem. We are there with 550,000 men. And any president, and secretary of state has to take the fact of our presence as a starting point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1742.0,1763.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhy are we negotiating? Partly because we are there, because we have the dominant force there and because we have an interest. I know he hasn't said we have no right to negotiate. In fact, I know it, Hanoi is much more sensible than our critics. Hanoi has a rather sophisticated understanding of who to deal with.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1763.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey have some questions of whether or not they want to talk to Saigon, they've never had any questions about whether to talk to us about whom we are negotiating. Well that's the thing that we haven't been clear about. I don't think it is good for us to be in the position of negotiating in detail about the internal structure of South Vietnam, and I would prefer for us to negotiate about those things which represent fundamental US interests.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1785.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd in which we have something that the other side wants, namely American troops dead that they want to get out, and that they can't get out except through negotiation. But frankly, many of your latter questions trouble Indians a lot more than North Vietnamese. North Vietnamese are quite, I don't think that's any problem with them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1819.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey've never raised that question of why should they negotiate with us. They've always realized that at some point they must negotiate with us. They've been much better about that than we have. It is hard to pick any period of the war where Hanoi hasn't been in some sort of touch with us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1847.0,1867.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe didn't always understand it but they never got quite out of touch with us.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] Hanoi [INAUDIBLE] or bomb them from South Vietnam. Sorry, supposing theoretical question, you had started bombing them from the sea. [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e No, but they've taken a position that farming is the one thing they don't want to negotiate on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1867.0,1908.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nThe main. Basis law accommodation, [INAUDIBLE] negotiation is to get the most favorable conditions for American withdrawal.\n\u003e\u003e And North Vietnamese withdrawal.\n\u003e\u003e Now what are in your view the most favorable conditions? What are you willing to leave Vietnam with or without? In other words, under which conditions will the United States leave Vietnam-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1908.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I don't think the United States has formally addressed this problem, so I cannot tell you what the United States is willing to do. And if you ask this question, in Washington you get a different opinion from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the State Department, our negotiators in Paris, the Central Intelligence Agency.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1945.0,1966.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEvery interested agency is gonna have a different view about what is meant by American withdrawal and this is something that will require a resolution by the President. And to the best of my knowledge, this has never been. We have said we'll withdraw and we have agreed to the Manila formula, which is again one of the masterpieces of ambiguity, in which we say we will withdraw within six months after the North Vietnamese withdraw and the level of violence does subside.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=1966.0,2003.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nDoes that mean if the level of violence caused by the North Vietnamese subsides if the total level of violence subsides? What exactly it means, who determines the level of violence and so forth, but that happens to be our official position and it's the only statement that we've publicly made on that issue.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2003.0,2030.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMy own personal view is that what we should get out of the negotiation is the maximum period of time for the withdrawal of the American forces, because as long as our forces are there we can have a certain influence on events, and this therefore, will permit us to influence and to prevent at least a catastrophic domestic evolution.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2030.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd one reason why I think, but this is a purely personal judgement why I believe that if a settlement comes it will come with some such crude formula as going to Hanoi and saying, that's what we have to have. The other hand, we think that's what you may have to have or tell us what you may have to have.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2055.0,2076.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf it's put to them in a complicated way, if we say it publicly by Harriman in Paris, it's hopeless. The method of negotiation with Hanoi is in itself worth exploration. So that's one of the things we have to have. Another thing we have to have is no attempt at a violent overthrow of the situation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2076.0,2098.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI cannot imagine that if we leave and the Communist government emerges in Saigon within two years say, that this will be anything but a very severe American defeat, it would be interpreted as such around the world. Now I can't tell you what Hanoi's reaction to all these considerations is gonna be.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2098.0,2122.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAll I'm telling you that in my judgement, which could easily be wrong on these issues, on that level we could at least talk to them. While if we go into cease fire agenda and all the other things, that will be in the back of their mind at least, probably not in the back of ours, because we'll be good legalistic negotiators and it will be implicit anyway.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2122.0,2149.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I would go for a maximum period of time and a maximum period of political stand still if that is possible, but there we would have to feel our way. Linda, you've been very impatient.\n\u003e\u003e Impatient or patient?\n\u003e\u003e Well, patiently impatient.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] No, I just wanted to ask [INAUDIBLE] which is at fault.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2149.0,2177.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYou did what you already said about our bureaucratic procedures, which I presumed, but how could we possibly orchestrate this three tier justification? [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e God, yeah.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Well we wouldn't have to orchestrate the second tier hopefully. If the second tier is sitting outside and debriefed by the South Vietnamese instead of the other way around.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2177.0,2207.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell we have not in four years of being in Vietnam, manged to orchestrate our political, military and other moves, so it may not be possible. On the other hand, that issue of orchestration will arise even if it's one big negotiation, except it will hit us in a slightly in a different form.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2207.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe problem of how to run what's left of the Vietnamese War. I think it's been a scandal that something that has absorbed so much of our resources and has staked so much of our prestige, has never had a central focus in Washington. And has had every agency run races with its own programs, evaluating its own progress and doing everything within its own little world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2230.0,2261.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think also that as the State Department is now organized, it is the disaster area of national policy. There is nothing between the assistant secretaries and the Secretary of State, nothing. The Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, who is supposed to be number three man in the State Department, has no influence at all on most things, unless if somebody throws him an assignment every once in a while.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2261.0,2287.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Am I being very unfair to him? No I think that's true.\n\u003e\u003e I think you should define which Under Secretary for Political Affairs\n\u003e\u003e The number three. I don't mean cats in fact, but you could also make a case about-\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e That's why I asked the question.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2287.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Look at an organization chart of the State Department, which still does it much too much credit. But you have on the organization chart, it shows a Secretary, an Under Secretary and then an Under Secretary for Political Affairs. Those three are supposed to be in a line. That's nonsense as far as the Under Secretary for Political Affairs is concerned, he is off somewhere.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2304.0,2323.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThen there's a whole mishmash of characters. The Consulate, the head of the Policy Planning staff, the Deputy Under Secretary for Political Affairs, God knows, the Deputy Under Secretary for Administration. What they do and how they relate to anything is not easy to determine. So as the State Department is now organized, it is well equipped to handle the daily cables, but not to work-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2323.0,2352.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Not even [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e But not even that particularly.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e But not to plan an overall national politic-\n\u003e\u003e Just one word in defense, that's partly because it's so often excluded from the-\n\u003e\u003e There are a lot of reasons including the fact that most cables get cleared in the White House so that everything sort of gravitates over it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2352.0,2376.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e It's perhaps difficult just to make one word of this that Ambassador is under specific instruction for a long time to write one telegram a week. Which only went to the president and was not to be distributed to the state.\n\u003e\u003e Yeah well, the distribution of things is in itself a problem.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2376.0,2393.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would argue for example that That a lot of eloquent articles have been written and profound books on the Machiavellian plotting which has thwarted certain great initiatives. I believe the truth to be much simpler, that important sections of the bureaucracy that know certain initiatives were going on. And were carrying out their own plans in complete ignorance of what somebody else was doing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2393.0,2423.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd what happens to bureaucracy, which has gotten so big that you don't trust it anymore, therefore, only a very small group know the really sensitive stuff. And doesn't even dare to tell the others that it is doing something, much less what. So that the others keep plodding along and sending out their cables.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2423.0,2442.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat's in itself an interesting thing, yes?\n\u003e\u003e You've spoken about the North Vietnamese position on the negotiations with America. Could you say something about [INAUDIBLE] Saigon and particularly [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e God, [LAUGH] on Saigon, Roy Burley is a much better expert than I am. My impression is. I don't think we have a good impact on any society where we operate in massive scale because of our eagerness to do everything.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2442.0,2485.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore we tend to encourage irresponsibility everywhere. I would say that's even true in Europe where we operate massively. I'm not saying we're doing that now. But there is a tendency, wherever we operate to shift all tough decisions to the American shoulders. And the United States has a tendency to consider that a sign of allied loyalty.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2485.0,2510.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut now in Vietnam, everything has really been geared to American plans and to American scale. And a massive American encouraged sense of irresponsibility has developed. They don't look at is as irresponsible. And in a way, it isn't from their point of view. We have come up with a hot new idea for solving Vietnamese problems, every year.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2510.0,2539.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWe would then use, one year it was rural pacification, another year it was national reconciliation. Every year, some hot plan and we would then move on the theory that if x is good, 10x is better and 1,000x is superb. There was the Cadre program which went from 800 people to 30,000 and which was supposed to contest the countryside with the Communists.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2539.0,2567.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut Christianity wasn't spread by 30,000 disciples in the first two years and of course then what happened is the Vietnamese had absolutely no choice. If they were gonna get money, if they were not gonna have constant fights with us, well by God, they were gonna create 30,000 Cadres.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2567.0,2589.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd one of the problems I had, Roy may not have had it, I had great difficulty finding any American who had ever seen them do what they were supposed to do. Now they must have existed, but it wasn't easy.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e A few, it's just that I found it difficult for Americans to make unannounced inspections.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2589.0,2613.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThis was the problem.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e So what do the Vietnamese think? One of the things the Vietnamese probably think is they've confronted a mad American initiative every year. They have managed to survive these mad American initiatives by stonewalling them. I was once set out to get a program started there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2613.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I was just as bad as the others. I started with great energy, getting everyone to write a program, and coming back and then thinking I have convinced. Yet to be implemented, even though we send instructions to all our embassies telling them to watch its implementation, never has been implemented.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2640.0,2657.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI beg your pardon?\n\u003e\u003e They're still watching.\n\u003e\u003e They're still watching. [LAUGH] In fact, we then got cables back saying what were we supposed to watch for? [LAUGH]\nBut I think to the Vietnamese it may be that these negotiations are the latest American fad. And that the only way they are going to survive is to do what they do with consummate skill, it's to defend.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2657.0,2689.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think their national flower is the bamboo that bends and that never quite breaks. I think that's what they're trying to do. I don't think they have any idea. They figure that as long as we're there, they can't lose. As long as that is true and as long as they can keep us there, what particular madness we implement any one year is to them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2689.0,2719.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nLess important, and they don't have the compulsion to end the war. I once asked one of the leading men of the Punta, what would happen to the psychology of Vietnamese society of this war went on another ten years. That question had to be translated two or three times because he didn't understand it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2719.0,2740.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd it then was clear to me he had never known anything else but war. The thing he couldn't understand is a world without a war. And so my guess is that the Vietnamese won't get serious about that negotiation until we give them a physical demonstration that we really mean it this time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2740.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that this is not one of those things. I don't think they have a program. If they have a program, it's to smash the NLF. But even for that, they won't risk too many of their troops since they need them for their domestic struggle. Roy, really you were there, and you know that situation so much better than I.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2760.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I agree, I think though the is convinced them a very good thing, that is if the impotence of all our invisible armies that you got on. And that was a lesson which was very important for them to get because that prevented them from seeing the real [INAUDIBLE] and-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2780.0,2793.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e That's right, if they faced the fact that they've got to make a settlement then maybe they'll come up with a negotiating position. But right now, I don't think they have a very clear.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e They're very able, that's one of the maddening things. Or one of the curious things in Vietnam, that very often, there's some relationship between sophistication and the general level of development of the country.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2793.0,2821.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt's not true in Vietnam. The top people are extraordinarily sophisticated even though the country is not a highly developed country. But they're great negotiators. They have one enormous ability, for example, which is impressive as a social performance. That is, in some way, the point is reached at which they decide not to cooperate with authority.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2821.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd then, they manage to stonewall us in a way that one has to admire. And they can't have a conference in which they decide to do it. There must be some [LAUGH] some sort of tacit understanding among the Vietnamese that at some point, you don't [INAUDIBLE] Assert yourself, that they do superbly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2845.0,2872.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThere was a question here. Bob?\n\u003e\u003e I just wanted to ask whether you in your own If you would have this people withdraw some troops, some form of international supervision, [CROSSTALK]\n\u003e\u003e Yes, definitely, it's got to be. Now that, again, would require a careful study, just what you do mean by the national inspection.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2872.0,2893.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't think much of these roving teams. Because the ICC team managed, they managed to be ICC teams in South Vietnam while both the North Vietnamese and we were building up and never find a violation. Because they couldn't face the fact of what to do if there were violations.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2893.0,2914.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nTherefore, my belief, that it would be better to have almost a line of people on the access roads, together with electronic equipment and so forth. To give you the facts rather than to make a complicated political judgement, and I'd be happier with an Hanoi/US inspection, than to get a lot of neutrals in if necessary, because we'd at least have an interest in the thing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2914.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I've settled for neutral.\n\u003e\u003e Do we know enough in celebrating Do we know enough about the complications of Sustaing policy?\n\u003e\u003e No, but-\n\u003e\u003e No, when they're all out?\n\u003e\u003e No, and I don't think we'd get them all out. But I think you can make enough of an identification to get a large majority of them out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2947.0,2974.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut here to discuss that sensibly, one would have to discuss intelligence failures of the United States over the last few years.\n\u003e\u003e Any comments on the Koreans?\n\u003e\u003e Yeah, the Koreans are going to be a problem, I'm afraid.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e That regional withdrawal of foreign forces from Vietnam, that may bring the the sentiment of negotiation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=2974.0,3001.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't agree with their purpose because North Korean communists primary objective, objective number one, is to get the US forces in Korea pulled out of Korea. And the number two, is split between Korean forces between their government and US authority there. So, communist, I do not believe that it is-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3001.0,3029.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Are you talking about Korea or Vietnam? All communists are the same for me. And communists, it is not necessary for them to fight the hot war because they are much better off fighting the cold war. And they're extremely well trained agents amongst effective actions in the area.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3029.0,3056.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo, once the foreign troops withdraw from Vietnam, then that means immediate Communist control over their entire territory. Because not immediate, in long run, they might take their time.\n\u003e\u003e But do you think if we withdrew our forces from Korea, it would mean immediate Communist control?\n\u003e\u003e I don't mean immediate, but it would take awhile.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3056.0,3080.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nKorea is a well different from the situation in Vietnam because Korea has a very strong deterrence of armed forces.\n\u003e\u003e But I think what we ought to try to bring about is a situation where the South Vietnamese government can protect itself against domestic upheavals and where it requires foreign military intervention to achieve any other change.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3080.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd well, what is your alternative? I start from the assumption, on which I may well be wrong, that the American political process will not hold still for a continuation of the war. Yet the present scale for, my guess, is it will not go through another congressional election. It will certainly end by 1971.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3110.0,3132.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore, the choices that we have are, I think, if the war continues at the present level and with the present strategy or foreseeable strategy, the end result will be a unilateral American withdrawal on almost any terms. And therefore, my comments are in that context. I would've far preferred for this Mulin to be right and for me to be wrong.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3132.0,3158.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI think it would've been much better for us in the long term, but it didn't turn out that way, yeah?\n\u003e\u003e In this context, this information And now, there's a difference given this type of situation [INAUDIBLE] That this suggests that the negotiation and Will be some sort of solution for the US troops.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3158.0,3193.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe question is, will US military intervention have altered the course of history in South [INAUDIBLE] affect the political structure [INAUDIBLE] Or has been merely an intervention at that time?\n\u003e\u003e Incidentally, in respect to the last question, I would like to prolong the American withdrawal over the greatest possible period of time, so I'm not in favor of just pulling out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3193.0,3226.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, I would think, now that I look at it, I don't know what I would have recommended if anyone had asked my opinion in 1963, and thank God in retrospect, I never really addressed this problem in any systematic way. And I don't want to say that I knew from the beginning.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3226.0,3253.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn fact, from the beginning, I probably, my inclination was that I wanted it to succeed. I started getting very dubious after my first visit there. About where we were going. Now, what will the end result of it be? I would think if I had to bet, if I had to bet I would think, it is more likely than not that it probably just delayed things.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3253.0,3285.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would think that what we should try for is a solution, in which if a government acted wisely, that if we acted wisely, it would be given one last chance in which it's defeat wasn't foreordained. I don't think we can settle for much less than that, I don't think we can settle for a subterfuge handing over.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3285.0,3311.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut again, I'd have to look at the record of governments there. Therefore statistically, I'd have to say, the odds are, they're not gonna be able to make use of that last chance. I say this with enormous regret. I don't think this is a glorious event in our history.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3311.0,3333.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I would have far preferred, there are many people here, who think we deserve to lose. I look at these problems more politically, and I cannot deny the severe political consequences it has, and I would like to at a minimum Stretch out the consequences over a maximum period of time, and give the government a chance if it acted well, not together, unconditional victory, but also not to turn into a Communist government.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3333.0,3375.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut this would require doing things much better than they have been. I have to leave in a few minutes, if there is, yes?\n\u003e\u003e Just put it together, in particular, the war. Alternatively, you give us the means of maintaining the war, which is impossible money situation. The United States of, accepting the challenge from the communist side, which is backed by the Soviet Union and by China, and accepting the change of the status quo, improving the position of the-\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3375.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e No, the one thing I would not accept is to change the status quo by military force. I'm trying to get one last situation in which the contest becomes as much as possible a South Vietnamese one, and as little as possible one of external forces. We cannot accept it as an imposition from the outside.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3411.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI would like to bring about a situation in which genuinely... The South Vietnamese are given an opportunity, and I cannot accept the fact that the South Vietnamese army, with 800,000 men, is left in the lurch if it is left to confront 60,000 guerillas. After we've been there 5 years, I mean, I don't think it is [INAUDIBLE]\nThat in such a contest the South Vietnamese, if they do their political things reasonably well, must lose.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3436.0,3470.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNow, if the perform the way they have been performing, they may well lose. But it will then be a political defeat. Nor do I think these all of this should happen that the new President should say on January 20th, I'll be out by April 20th and therefore this whole thing must be accomplished.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3470.0,3487.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI'm talking about a process where American troops withdraw over a period which is long enough so that when one talks about political process, one isn't just faking. And you also have to consider the alternatives. The alternatives, that the so-called tough-liners are going to do what Westmoreland did when he asked for 200,000 troops.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3487.0,3511.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey're going to get the war going, keep it going for another year, and then suddenly the wave is going to get so severe, that we're going to get out under almost any condition, this is what I think is going to happen if the war continues. And so, it may well turn out badly, but at least the moral framework for its turning out badly will be better, I think, this way than in any other way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3511.0,3541.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWell, let's make this the last one.\n\u003e\u003e I was wondering whether any Americans involved wouldn't be in effect unilaterally involved simply because if we got out over a long period of time along with this process to work out, still during the Vietnamese situation is highly unlikely that there would be a nice and even completely situation by the time our last troops left.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3541.0,3565.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd if the current situation [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e All right but then.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e What's the alternative if the United States, if we continue to pursue supposing the Westmoreland strategy had worked. And supposing the North Vietnam, I never quite knew what he really thought victory would look like. But supposing the North Vietnamese had marched out through American checkpoints, From South Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3565.0,3602.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nDon't think that's so ridiculous, there were people who were thinking of that.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e They, supposing they had marched up through American checkpoints from South Vietnam. Then, unless we were going to stay there forever, the danger you described always exists.\n\u003e\u003e I-\n\u003e\u003e That's what-\n\u003e\u003e I really see no other alternative\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3602.0,3624.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Of Americans staying there forever.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Or an international presence.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e I don't think we'll hold.-\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well, I think we should do our best to ge reasonable safeguards against this and it's one of the problems that we have always faced from the first time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3624.0,3653.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean the real problem in such a war is not whether you can win it, but whether you can ever withdraw. That's really the problem and since we did not face the major part of the North Vietnamese army ever, we'd always had this problem of whether we could withdraw.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3653.0,3675.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut I agree with you of course, I'll make one other qualification. I don't believe the North Vietnamese Army has been our chief problem. Our chief problem has been the guerilla army. We fought the North Vietnamese Army because that happened to be the army we knew best how to fight.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161#t=3675.0,3694.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17704/file/73161/transcript/8121/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd that's what we were equipped to do and trained to do. I've got to go. 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