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First of all, I would like to say how Delighted I am to meet with you. I understand this is off the record.\n\u003e\u003e Absolutely off the record.\n\u003e\u003e Once I spoke in Japan to a group of businessmen and the next day a verbatim account appeared in the press.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=4.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI told the chairman I thought this was off the record. What are your rules of off the record, he said, in Japan, the rules are that only one person briefs the press.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e So, I think it would be probably more interesting for you rather than for me to give, make a presentation for me to answer your questions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=33.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI will simply say that I have always, even periods of difficulty being a passionate believer in the importance of Franco-American friendship. I have strongly supported the French policy of independence. Because I think that our interests are so paralleled that an independent policy will lead you to conclusions that are on the whole compatible with our views also.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=67.0,100.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd because it is in our interest to have in Europe centers of responsibility that are willing to conduct a global policy. Now whether I will still hold this view if your elections next year go the way your municipal elections go, I don't know, but this is at least my view at this time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=100.0,132.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut rather than for me to make a presentation, why don't you ask me questions on specific issues and I will answer you. Yes sir, if you tell me who you are it would.\n\u003e\u003e My name is and I work for the [INAUDIBLE] relationships between your country and Saudi Arabia and its implications on the viability of oil and the other consuming.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=132.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But our relationship with Saudi Arabia depends on at least two factors, one, what happens in the Middle East in general and secondly, what happens internally in Saudi Arabia. Let me take the second issue first. As modernization of Saudi Arabia proceeds, it is not inconceivable that there will be changes in Saudi Arabia that none of us would wish, but that could lead in a very unfortunate direction or at least in a direction that makes political and economic relations more difficult.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=172.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI don't want to speculate on that because our policy has always been and will continue to be to support the existing institutions in Saudi Arabia. A second issue will be what happens in the Middle East. If there is progress towards peace in the Middle East, and if therefore the western position is strengthened, I think we can maintain a useful economic relationship with Saudi Arabia.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=212.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAlways keeping in mind that the western countries must do something about limiting their consumption and developing alternative sources. Because if our consumptions keep increasing at the recent rate then with the best well in the world, Saudi Arabia, a strain is gonna be put on Saudi Arabia that will be very difficult to absorb over a period of time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=240.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd so many, and very soon to its oil power there will be added a very substantial financial power. But assuming we do what is needed for conservation and assuming progress in made in negotiations in the Middle East, I think that the possibility exists to maintain a positive relationship with Saudi Arabia.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=265.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nI would, I believe, I don't have the figures exactly in my mind, but I believe United States consumes 40% of the world wide energy. At any rate, a very large percentage of the worldwide energy. I was instrumental in bringing about the International Energy Agency, I may say it was not the total support of your foreign minister at the time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=301.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMy recollection is correct. We put before that a number of proposals for conservation alternative sources, that were intellectually very good and that were in fact adopted. But there's no sense for other countries or at least it isn't meaningful for other countries to have major programs of conservation, if the United States doesn't have a major program of conservation because we are the biggest consumer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=347.0,381.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt isn't possible for other countries to develop various substantially alternative sources if the United States doesn't make a major effort because we have the greatest resources of capital. And in our reserves of coal, one of the elements from which either through electrification or gasification or by using it directly, energy could be derived and for all these reasons, I believe that a dynamic United States program is essential for the other industrial countries to be able to reduce their dependence on imported oil.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=381.0,421.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey can never eliminate it but I think they can reduce it enough so that the sharing provisions of the embargo or the sharing provisions of the I8 could become effective. And so that the stockpiles that can be built up over a period of time can provide diplomatic flexibility.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=421.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nYes sir.\n\u003e\u003e Yesterday, Dr. Kissinger, who spoke about the Soviet truce all over the world. Do you think if the communist are anticipating [INAUDIBLE] Government government in some country with western country that's France or Italy it will be a way for the Soviet Union to score a point?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=448.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e But. First of all, I hope you all realize I spoke extemporaneously yesterday. First, I didn't realize that first I would have such a large and secondly I didn't realize I would have such a distinguished audience. But still I would have said\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e I would have said substantially, I would have said the same thing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=477.0,503.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nEither way but [INAUDIBLE] you how carefully I planned them. One thing I was determined to do was not to make news. And I found that I was on every evening television program. And the reason I didn't want to make news is I didn't want to inflame our administration beyond it's normal state of tolerance.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=503.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e But, now to answer your question. My view on this subject was repeatedly stated when I was Secretary of State. I have not changed my opinion on that subject. It does not please all of my European friends. It is nevertheless a rather firmly held view, my views [INAUDIBLE]\none.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=521.0,551.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhether the Communist in, say France or Italy, are independent of Moscow, nobody can determine from their statutes. When self interest so coincides with their public professions. If they were under the orders of Moscow they would do exactly what they are doing now that they claim they are not under the orders of Moscow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=551.0,579.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH] [APPLAUSE]\n\u003e\u003e I cannot Really judge. I cannot draw any conclusion from what they say. Now, with particular respect to the French Communist Party, which until three years ago was the most Stalinist party in Europe. And then by a unanimous vote of their central committee decided to pursue and independent course.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=579.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI must say I would have been more impressed if the vote in the central committee had been 55 to 45 rather than 100% in favor of an independent vote. Secondly, I don't care whether they are dependent or independent of Moscow. They represent a program, an appeal to an electorate, and a sociological composition that is bound to weaken their relationship.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=603.0,635.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe relationship of France to the security system of the west, It cannot do anything else. Therefore, even if they are independent the pressures of their electorate are going to force them in a direction that will have the most fundamental effect on the security system of the West as it has developed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=635.0,664.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd when you speak of independence of Moscow when de Gaulle was the President of France. There were many occasions when he was a total pain in the neck to us.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e On the other hand there was never any question that he was a man of the West.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=664.0,686.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd in every crisis and I never have tired of pointing this out in the Berlin crisis and in the Cuban crisis. The leader who stood with us best was de Gaulle. Even in the interval he was a specialist in tormenting us.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e Now if assuming the French Communists get as independent of Moscow as De Gaulle was of us, they'd still be in their basic orientation.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=686.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMen of the East. And in a crisis they would have the attitude towards Moscow that de Gaulle had towards Washington in a crisis that involved us. And therefore, for all these reasons, whether or not they are independent, I believe that a victory for the communists in France or Italy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=718.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWith the consequent impact on Spain and Germany where it will drive things in a more nationalistic direction. Would involve a dramatic change in the sort of relationship that has developed in the post-war period. I have never pretended to be indifferent to it, and I will soon find a location to say so publicly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=740.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI am not indifferent to this question, I think it will have the profoundest impact. Of course, European countries have to vote their convictions. But we can have our analysis of the consequence and then they can make up their own mind. Yes.\n\u003e\u003e You have to think about the [INAUDIBLE]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=763.0,795.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Disengagement.\n\u003e\u003e Disengagement.\n\u003e\u003e What do you mean?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e No, I know but what?\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE] the US in Africa.\n\u003e\u003e I believe that we were saved in Zaire by the courageous actions of President. If it had not been for what France did in Zaire which incidentally would not have happened under another government.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=795.0,828.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI mean under another government of a left orientation. If it had not been for the French action I believe that Mobutu would have been overthrown. I believe that this would have demonstrated to all of Africa that the countries backed by the Soviet Union are bound to men. And it would have led to a rapid collapse of moderate regimes in all over Africa.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=828.0,859.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore I believe, I said so when I was in Paris last week, I believe that France served the West well in the actions that it took in Zaire without American support. I believe that we cannot always count on some other country doing those things that need to be done.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=859.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd if the Soviet Union decided to escalate in Angola. We would be forced to support what is going on by France and Morocco if we know our interests at all. Now I think because of the elections coming up in Europe that the Soviet Union probably will not force a confrontation with France over Zaire.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=888.0,914.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd therefore the action will work. But it is in the Western interest that moderate black governments succeed in Africa. And or at least is in our interest that those countries that are getting their arms from the Soviet Union in large quantities, not thereby become the dominant countries in Africa.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=914.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause this will have the profoundest political and economic consequences. Because your ambassador here is much more of an expert on Africa than I am. I usually go to him and ask him what I should say. [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e But I agreed. [LAUGH] Yes sir?\n\u003e\u003e How do you expect all of the developed countries to resist all the pressures toward protectionism that are now happening here and there?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=938.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well I think this is one of the topics that has to be discussed at this economic summit. This weekend. In 1973, as I pointed out yesterday, when I first proposed that the economic policies of the western countries be coordinated, almost all of our European allies rejected the concept.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=977.0,999.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nToday It is clear that the economies are interdependent. And that purely nationalist policies are going to be self destructive. It is a difficult domestic problem for each government, and many of the Western governments are not. Extremely strong and in this country too. Whether or not our government is strong, I experienced it firsthand when I was Secretary of State the tremendous pressure of special interest groups that always have a good case because it's in the essence of a more or less free trade system.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=999.0,1042.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThat some foreign country in some category is bound to get an advantage. It isn't possible for the Unite States to have an advantage in every category. Now if then we penalized those countries who are getting efficient production. I think we are going to wind up in a set of systems which will be very disadvantageous to everybody.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1042.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI can't give you an answer of how to do it. It requires strong political leadership. And I have the impression that our government is aware of this, and is trying to resist these pressures.\n\u003e\u003e Some pressures are social, and can ferment economy but some others would some come from policy itself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1076.0,1097.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e What do you have in mind?\n\u003e\u003e In mind, the example of in France. I suppose it could have a great impact on.\n\u003e\u003e Well, when you get state trading systems\n\u003e\u003e Then protectionism is built into it to a certain extent because they don't even need formal barriers.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1097.0,1117.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey can do it through the allocation of priorities. And once you have the destruction of more or less free trading systems, then it is built into the situation. And then almost every economic negotiation becomes a political negotiation.\n\u003e\u003e Yes sir.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nBut. Doctor, do you think there is a chance between East and West?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1117.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e I had the misfortune of having to deal with Vietnamese for five years. And how you them for 100 years is not easy for me to understand.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e They, the Vietnamese that I met were not suffering from a low estimate.\n\u003e\u003e Of their significance. In fact they were all convinced that the universe revolved around the Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1169.0,1207.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo, I think they're highly nationalistic. And nothing would delight them more than to play off the United States against the Soviet Union against China. And to become, in the process, the dominant power of Southeast Asia. So I don't believe that Vietnam is a stooge of anybody. On the other hand, as far as the United States is concerned I don't see any huge advantage we gain by rapidly normalizing our relations with Vietnam.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1207.0,1244.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIn fact, normalizing relation with us, is so much in the Vietnamese interests. For one thing they can to amend the Chinese and the Russians. Which is itself makes life worth living for the humanity. For another they can get some economic assistance from us in developing their offshore oil.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1244.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo they've got to come to us. And to let them get away with saying we owe them $3 billion on top of it, is as I said yesterday an absurdity. If we keep our cool, and if we don't show any eagerness, and if we don't feed that xenophobia and tell them that in good time we are willing to normalize provided they behave themselves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1265.0,1292.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIt will come more or less automatically. Will they be between east and west to some extent but they're probably the most aggressive country in Asia. I'm not worried about Chinese expansion but I'm convinced the Vietnamese will try to get, well Laos they already have substantially under their control.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1292.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey will probably try to get Cambodia under their control. And I think they will be, as soon as they recover from the war, I think they will be a source of massive regional instability. Even though they will be independent. They won't do it for China or for Moscow, they will do it for themselves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1315.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd we trust the beginning of the, of the Vietnamese evolution. But I will not give them this feeling that they are such a super important country. Because they have it already.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\nIf you think that China [INAUDIBLE].\n\u003e\u003e Yes. I think China. Remains extremely important. But there my be ups and downs.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1343.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause of internal situations in China. And they're right now going through period in which they're primarily concerned with their domestic affairs. But the strategic reality of 800 million extremely talented people. A long frontier of the Soviet Union is one that we most never neglect. And the modernization of China that will one way or another come.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1385.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWill enhance their significance. Now I don't think China will be all that easy for us to deal with either. But in geopolitical terms, I believe that if China becomes strong, then the Soviet threat against Europe will be reduced. If Europe doesn't go Communist in the meantime by its own Efforts.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1415.0,1442.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I think then the Soviets' strategic problem will become so complicated, that a period of real detente could emerge. So, if I were Secretary of State, in any event, I believe that China is an extremely important country.\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n[COUGH] on that question, do you believe that what you call [INAUDIBLE]\naffair are in a way connected [INAUDIBLE]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1442.0,1486.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Domestic affairs of China. No, I believe that the domestic affairs of China have their own momentum. And I think that Mao had basically the right insight into that dilemma, which is inherently insoluble. The dilemma is that if in a communist society, you attempt to modernize, you're going to create a bureaucratic class that has all of the worst features of the capitalist class that you supplanted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1486.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBecause it will have both economic power and political legitimacy. And Mao was quite right when he believed that when you have a bureaucracy of 30 to 40 million people in China, which is what you produce when you have a planned economy in 800 million population, that you are then going to get a new Mandarin class.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1522.0,1547.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn the other hand, if you have a permanent revolution which is what. Mao sometimes wondered or at least what the so-called Gang of Four wondered, if you have a permanent revolution, you cannot have modernization. So, they were in Maoist time oscillating between spurts of modernization and spurts of revolution.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1547.0,1576.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd it was always foreseeable that at some point they'd have to come down on one or the other. And the paradox is that the modernizers are easier to get along with today, but will be much more difficult 20 years from now, while the idealogues would be harder to get along with today, but they would keep China so weak that they would not be able to do much about their convictions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1576.0,1601.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBut this is what the conflict in China is about, in my view, between those who want to modernize and subordinate ideology. And google there for a tour in China in a sort of confusion society with mourest ethics. Or those who want to have a permanent revolution. At the moment the modernisers seem to have won.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1601.0,1629.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nAnd I don't think this has anything to do with the Soviet Union over the United states I believe that the basic trend of the basic attitude of the Chinese towards foreign policy is that foreigners are there to be used. They, it is fashionable in western countries at least in the United States to say that it was un natural for the United States to be separated from China for 20 years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1629.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nI believe not at all, I think the Chinese lived happily for 2,000 years without knowing anything, without contact with the United States. They would have happily lived 2000 more years without contact with United States. They now need us to balance off the Soviet Union. They're doing it cold bloodedly, ugly as they do everything else.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1661.0,1685.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nWhen they don't need us anymore they'll drop us. And right now, they need us, and we need them. And therefore, it is a. It's a potentially good relationship which depends, in my view, entirely on the Chinese assessment of our ability to maintain the world balance of power. And has nothing to do with Taiwan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1685.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e [INAUDIBLE]\n\u003e\u003e Well, I'm not an expert on energy, even though I'm chairman of a committee, of an advisory committee that's supposed to, Promote this. Let me put it into two parts. One, I strongly support the purposes of the plan. I think that President Carter deserves a lot of credit for having put forward a comprehensive scheme and for having mobilized the American consciousness about how vital it is for us to have a program.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1711.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIndividual items of the program, I have questions about without necessarily having a better solution. We maybe tempting an arrow price rise by using price as a mechanism to cut consumption. It isn't clear the price that's cut consumption. And if you repaid the tax, you may not cut consumption at all on the contrary.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1759.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo, I have some questions about that. But I agree with a basic orientation. I agree with the concerns that he has raise and I don't think it is all that important whether I agree with every last technical scheme. Because the direction is absolutely the right one. Yes sir.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1794.0,1818.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Dr Kissinger, what do you think of the relations with Japan?\n\u003e\u003e Relations with Japan?\n\u003e\u003e Yes, yeah so Japanese know buying up big surpluses in commercial trade and are developing an aggressive let's say commerce. This looks like being in a very unstable position. And you think it will normalize or will it develop into a dangerous situation for the world?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1818.0,1849.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n\u003e\u003e Well, I think we are witnessing in Japan is transition of period between the time when the impact of the war dominated Japanese politics and economics and the period\n\u003e\u003e When Japan pursues its more traditional nationalistic policies. I believe also that the impact on Japan of a number of events has been rather profound.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1849.0,1877.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nDefeat in Vietnam, the Lockheed Scandal.\n\u003e\u003e The potential withdrawal of Korean, of our troops from Korea and our attitude towards peaceful uses of power. All of that have a tendency to spur, to spur Japanese nationalists, whom mandate has always been in a notion to believe. That the Japanese belong to any particular flag.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1877.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThe Japanese are so confident of their national uniqueness that they are capable of pursuing many policies. And still be certain of being able to maintain themselves. So, I believe that the Japanese nationalism is going to grow in the years ahead.\n\u003e\u003e And it's very similar to Japan to China, a great deal depends on their assessment of the efficiency of the west.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1905.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nIf they believe that the west is a dynamic system and that the United States can protect the west- can protect the global balance, You look at one sort of political and economic policy. If, on the other hand, we are going to live in a world in which it's every area for itself, you'll get another Japanese policy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1930.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSo a lot depends on the sort of world that we are going to bring about. Now, ladies and gentlemen I unfortunately have to go and meet a group that is gonna be much less pleasant than you to whom I am supposed to speak about the lessons of history.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=1954.0,1973.0"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8228/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nThey haven't told me of what history, and I don't know exactly what lessons I'm going to tell them about, except that it will be extremely profound.\n\u003e\u003e [LAUGH]\n\u003e\u003e So, thank you.\n\u003e\u003e Thank you very much.\n\u003e\u003e 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yesterday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=4.071,7.371"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8229/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e There you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335#t=7.371,7.961"},{"id":"https://yalemssa.aviaryplatform.com/collections/56/collection_resources/17816/file/73335/transcript/8229/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First of all, I would like to say\nhow Delighted I am to meet with 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